[CircuitRider]

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[turner]

Nothing wrong with a .358 Win, I own two now. The first was bought back in the early '90s a steel receiver BLR gun. The 2nd is a really nice Ruger Hawkeye SS version. Both have put groceries in the fridge, with the Ruger taking a nice hog just a few months ago.

Now, as far as the recoil figure you showed. I agree that the .358 (load dependent) has less recoil, but it's nowhere near the chasm you showed. You need to include rifle weight in your info and my opinion is you took numbers from way different weight rifles.

The .358 rules in my world. I like frontal area along with decent velocity. The .358 in "other than factory" loadings can be a beast and at least the equal of the factory loaded .35 Whelen. ickle:

This can be an extra special one rifle battery for all of N.A. game. :thumbup:

 

[Hunting Man]

One wonders why the 358 never gain a big following. I would love to find a Savage 99 in the 358. Prices are pretty steep for a rifle/bullet combo that never got a lot of attention, but has a lot of collector value now in the old 99's, go figure.

 

[Hunting Man]

I have a 250-3000 and 300 both in the EG models a 1948 and 1952-3?, A 358 would be a nice 99 addition! Always looking for really clean oldies.

 

[Karl.Luhr]

Not many shoot a 220gr in their 30-06s

Ok so the recoil force is the same between the 358 with stand weight loads and a very heavy bullet in the 30-06. I would say that 99% of all 30-06 shooters never go higher than 180gr. At that 180gr bullet weight I would bet that the 30-06 kicks less. Many shooters find the 30-06 with the 180gr all the fun they want in the recoil department. I have killed Elk with the 180gr in a Nosler Partition and would have been willing to go after anything this side of Brown Bear with the load. In an emergency I know the 30-06 shooting 180s would work on a big Brown Bear, but those wonderful animals are what Magnums are for in my opinion.

Karl

 

[Hunting Man]

Gun writers are probably more responsible for the 358 not finding a bigger crowd is when they dubbed it a "woods caliber". I might be able to describe a woods rifle but the 358 would not be in it. I appreciate all the input on interesting calibers submitted. :thumbup:

 

[Karl.Luhr]

Wrong again....Nuts...

Let's see here the 225gr in a 358 kicks the same as my favorite 30-06 load with 165gr bullets. The 358 with the 225gr gets my vote as a fine choice for Deer/Elk. It comes in nice short actions and should hit very hard. Thanks for education on the 358 win, to bad it never made it as a big commercial success. I guess the writers were to busy teaching everyone they needed a magnum to hunt our animals.

Karl

 

[Karl.Luhr]

Ok here is a question- .358 Win or .338 Federal????

The Federal cartridge 338 Fed does have some buzz going at this time and is available in short action bolt rifles. I know Ruger M77 Hawkeyes and Sako/Tikka rifles are available in 338 Fed. Does anyone have actual experience with both cartridges that they can share their preference between them? What I read sounds very good but they do say Federal loaded them to where recoil is a factor.

Karl

 

[turner]

The Federal cartridge 338 Fed does have some buzz going at this time and is available in short action bolt rifles. I know Ruger M77 Hawkeyes and Sako/Tikka rifles are available in 338 Fed. Does anyone have actual experience with both cartridges that they can share their preference between them? What I read sounds very good but they do say Federal loaded them to where recoil is a factor.

Karl

I own both and hunt with both. I happen to have both chambered in M77 Hawkeyes. The biggest difference between them for someone looking for a medium, to me, would be the availability of factory loads for those who do not handload. When I shoot my .338F with the 200gr Fusion load (2650 FPS) alongside a 30/06 with typical 180gr loads in like rifles, I see zero difference in recoil to my shoulder. I found this Fusion load to be very accurate (sub MOA) in my Hawkeye and also performs very well on game. The .338F is a much flatter shooting cartridge than the .358 shooting Winchester's factory offering. Move up to Double Tap or Buffalo Bore for the hot .358 loads and it will even out, but at a cost, $$$$.

My Hawkeye in .358 is now loaded with stout 250gr loads and does recoil a bit more and more on a par with my .35 Whelen shooting hot (2874 FPS) 200gr loads. A hotly loaded .358 Win will match or even exceed the Remington 200gr Whelen factory load, although Winchester's 200gr .358 load is only rated at about 2500 FPS. It is still a very good round at that slower speed, but taken to Whelen levels it becomes a different beast, IMHO. The .358 is a great round for a handloader.

Both are fine rounds, but limited to only factory loads, I'd choose the .338F and it's more numerous, more decently priced and more readily available offerings. You can use weights of 180-210 in factory loads, with the 210gr being a Nosler Partition. There's also a 160gr load (TTSX @ 2900FPS) that is a very flat shooter available from Double Tap. For the ultimate performer, I still prefer the performance of the Whelen over all my other mediums and they have now added two new factory loads for it; a 200gr Superformance (2910FPS) and a 180gr Fusion load that looks to be a very good deer loading.

I sure would like to see Browning add the .338F to their BLR line-up and perhaps even their BAR Short -Trak line-up too.

Pics: M77/.358 with Lam stock, M77/.338 SS/wal, both rifles with new stocks replacing the original Ruger synthetics