thanks guys
i was thinking of gettting the 270 actually becauase ill hunt deer more then elk with it cause down here in manitoba elk is on a draw period and u ussuallly only get drawn every 2-4 years but i go for deer alot and bear are always in close range i was just curious on everyone opinions my uncle uses a 270 and has shot deer up to 450 yards with it he says wow wat a hard decsion between the 2 this will be some thinking before i buy heck maybe ill buy both lol then u cant go wrong no matter what