Hello ya'all, Im a new member to the site and really enjoyed looking around and seeing all the good stuff posted in here. Thanks for such a good site. BUT, I got a senerial that really peeves me off that Id like to hear feed-back on. I live in northeastern ohio and theres not alot of land that people are willing to let you hunt up here and its like pullin teeth to find a spot. But we got a game reserve that runs from where I live in Canfield all the way up to the top part of Warren. Its huge and driving around it you always see huge "and I mean HUGE" bucks. The problem being that it is a reserve so no hunting which I can respect as deer need somewhere to go to feel safe I guess,BUT I found out this year that the mahoning co. sewer dept actually owns the land and the dept. of natural resources takes care of it. No big deal huh, well check this out--- The dept. of sewer and sanitation are allowed to hunt these areas and we are not. What message is that sending to me---well, for all the hunting liences's I buy, for all the hunting equipment I buy, for all the stuff that the ODNR takes money out of it to keep the land and all replenished and all the things nice in areas like this, well someone else is hunting all these huge bucks that I see and Actually help feed(with buying all the stuff I do). Is it right for the peoples money to be used on this land for the property people to be getting FAT off of it????????? As the site says, its all about opinion and I definatelly have mine. The ODNR put signs up saying ABSOLUTELY NO HUNTING AND FISHING. so why are the sewer and sanitation people alloud to hunt it. Its like me putting money into a food plot that I cant hunt. Just thought Id share this situation with some fellow hunters and see what they think about it. I know nothing will ever get done about this but I felt it would be a good topic to discuss and let fellow ohioans know what some of their money supports!!!!!!!
what do you all think about this situation
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Well before I give you my input there's a few things I'd like to know first.
What's the name of the Game Reserve you're talking about?
How do you know it's being hunted?
Have you talked with an Ohio Game Warden about this?
Is this something that's just come up or has this been a standing issue for years?
and lastly If you're sure the employees are hunting that Game Reserve legally, have you contacted the Manager of the Sewer Dept. to ask for permission to hunt on their land?
What's the name of the Game Reserve you're talking about?
How do you know it's being hunted?
Have you talked with an Ohio Game Warden about this?
Is this something that's just come up or has this been a standing issue for years?
and lastly If you're sure the employees are hunting that Game Reserve legally, have you contacted the Manager of the Sewer Dept. to ask for permission to hunt on their land?
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Welcome to the site T-Han. Before you say or do anything make sure that all the issues are accurate and true. That way you'll have more weight on your side when it's time to come forward. Also, my questions are the same as BruceBruce1959.
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Not necessarily true,
As mentioned by timberghost and BruceBruce, it is imperative you have your facts straight.
Make the time to perform due diligence on the existing arrangement.
If your final conclusions still demonstrate as you claim, a specific form of favoritism is taking place, there is a wealth of public officials, district reps, local and state congressmen/women, and publications, you can approach with your valid information.
Repost what results you come up with, I would be curious to hear what you learned.
you could do the above or put in an application to work for the sewer and sanatation people just a part time to get your foot in te door kinda deal. i am jk. we kinda have the same situation here in memphis with a place called presidents island you have to put in for the tags and EVERY year only cops get them. and it is a fact! the place has MONSTER bucks because they get absoluty zero pressure untill bow season and then there are only 30 tags so they just lay low for a week and the cops shot the first thing that walks buy and then they are safe for the other 48 weeks of the year. my father and i have put in for the tags 6 years straight and neither of us has drawn yet. and no lie it's cops every year that get the tags. sorry to vent i just know how you feel.
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id talk to the company owner
Hello guys, nice to hear from you'all. Well bruce- its called Meander Fish and Game reserve. And I was hunting the fellas property that was right next door to it and Ive seen numerous people going in and out of there. I decided one day to stop one of the fellas and ask them what was going on. I thought maybe they was giving out special permits to hunt the spot(as I call it) and he said no that only the sewer and sanitation dept. can hunt it. And just this year my son went to the edjucational hunting course and the big guy for the ODNR was there and I pulled him aside to ask a few questions without really trying to ruffle any feathers. And he said that hes been buttting heads with the ODNR "higher ups" for a few years now over the game reserve. He said that its definately overpopulated and is going to be trouble if they dont open it up for a few seasons to clean it out. And the overpopulation doesnt only include deer, coyote,rabbit squirrell, it seems as if all wildlife flocks to this place.WOULDNT YOU!!!! ha-ha. But at any rate, he said that the sewer and sanitation dept. has something going on with the higher ups and them being alloud to hunt is totally out of his hands. So I dont know who really to believe in this senerial but it sure dont seem right. AND to top it off, its hard to hunt any adjacent farms to it and catch the big boys comming in there because all the little rich guys will lease out all the land around the reserve so no-one else can hunt it. Its a bad senerial but its life I guess, I just thought Id see what some other fellas felt about the ordeal. As a blue collar worker I guess Ill be stuck with the public hunting land and the tiny minys until I hit the lotto!!! wish me luck.
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the grass is always greener they say.I hunt a lot of state land and theres plenty of deer to be had ya got to put your time in.do you want to hunt or just shoot big deer?Try joining a deer camp or getting some friends together and getting a lease.
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Greetings T-Han and welcome to the site. Sorry i'm late in responding but i's still hunting (Muzzleloader) season here in vermont.
I searched high and low for any information about the Ohio "MEANDER" Fish and Game reserve and I can't find any reference at all to such a reserve.
What I would suggest is contacting some of your local hunting clubs and speak with their representaives about it, make them aware of what's going on, Don't be afraid to ask for their help. I would also talk with your local Game Warden ask them what's the deal on that property or contact the ODNR Wildlife Divsion directly.
When all else fails, call the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
You ABSOLUTELY want to ruffle feathers, If your facts are correct, the Ohio hunters should be aware of what's going on with their hunting license funds.
Good Luck
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IMHO if it is private property there is very little you can do about the arraingement. It could be that ODNR is manageing for other uses than hunting. If there are other recreational uses like horse back, ATV, hiking, wildlife veiwing or whatever it could justify their involvement.
If it's something you want to really check into I would contact the dept directly and get there response. There are probably public meetings where they get input about policies you could attend. Get involved and if there is a good ole boy tit for tat going on then take it to your state congressman. It's amazing what the guys that pull the purse strings can do.
If it's something you want to really check into I would contact the dept directly and get there response. There are probably public meetings where they get input about policies you could attend. Get involved and if there is a good ole boy tit for tat going on then take it to your state congressman. It's amazing what the guys that pull the purse strings can do.
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I Hear Ya!!!
Seems that po;iticians across the country are all the same... Regardless of what you do, you will never get in there... At best, you'll get them to stop, but that's about it. Been through this a few times in a couple of places.. the runaround you get will give you an ulcer.
I hunted in an even worse place this year. A greedy lunatic land owner that has hundreds of acres adjoining a small parcel I had permission to hunt on even went as far as re-posting his land, right down the middle of the place I was hunting, calling the DEC and state police and turning me in for an "untagged deer" NOT... I tucked the tag inside the ear so he couldn't see it! Why did he do this? 1. hes a screwball 2. he watched the eight pointer I shot all summer and decided that it was "his" and was really pissed off when I shot it (totally legal) on the only piece of ground he couldn't hunt on!
Find a small parcel that borders that property and plan your hunt well and you can get one of those big boys too! All you need is a couple of acres to sit on... deer walk... they aren't stuck to the ground. It's not impossible, just harder to do!
Seems that po;iticians across the country are all the same... Regardless of what you do, you will never get in there... At best, you'll get them to stop, but that's about it. Been through this a few times in a couple of places.. the runaround you get will give you an ulcer.
I hunted in an even worse place this year. A greedy lunatic land owner that has hundreds of acres adjoining a small parcel I had permission to hunt on even went as far as re-posting his land, right down the middle of the place I was hunting, calling the DEC and state police and turning me in for an "untagged deer" NOT... I tucked the tag inside the ear so he couldn't see it! Why did he do this? 1. hes a screwball 2. he watched the eight pointer I shot all summer and decided that it was "his" and was really pissed off when I shot it (totally legal) on the only piece of ground he couldn't hunt on!
Find a small parcel that borders that property and plan your hunt well and you can get one of those big boys too! All you need is a couple of acres to sit on... deer walk... they aren't stuck to the ground. It's not impossible, just harder to do!
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Yes as an individual they'll eat you alive That's why I suggested contacting his local and state hunting clubs/organizations,,, there's strength in numbers... we alone can't fight and win the battle but if we're backed by groups and organizations, our voices will be heard and maybe changes will be made...
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A bunch of years back there was a large tract on Long Island previously owned by Grumman (abandoned when they got bought by Northrop) The deer were fenced in and multiplying like crazy. Our club tried to gain access to thin the herd. Was told NEVER. (but they were going to open the fence and let the deer go (into a pretty much urban area). Another group suggested a disabled hunter access. Days before it was to be held, someone stopped that too! We ran into the same thing at a local large state park where there were nearly as many deer as there were trees! But they hired an out of state "hunter" to do what we would have done for free!
'Dont know what happened after that (I moved) but I'll bet it was just as nutty!!
'Dont know what happened after that (I moved) but I'll bet it was just as nutty!!
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sounds like your a NY'er where ya at now?im actually gonna hunt LI this year cuz i missed the last 3 weeks.the hunts go till jan 30:biggrin:
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Signman... I'm up a bit West of Albany (Montgomery Cty). Hunted LI all my life 'till 8yrs ago when I moved up here. You hunting the co-op lottery ? I'ts a pain in the neck to get all the paperwork in but you get a pretty good chance at a good spot if you research it right. 'Used to live a couple of miles East of the Ridge co-op station. There are plenty of deer there but its really thick. Even though they only give you a limited time in the woods, I'd pick a spot and get up in a treestand otherwise, you can walk right by them and never see a thing! We hunted Montauk Pt one yr and had that happen (but we did get to watch a bunch of big seals on the rocks)
I sort of bounce around all over NYS now and have taken and seen lots of good deer. (and turkey) Anyhow, GOOD LUCK
I sort of bounce around all over NYS now and have taken and seen lots of good deer. (and turkey) Anyhow, GOOD LUCK
well the way I see it is that ya got three options join the sewer company or, just petion petion petion the wazzodles out of the Ohio fish and game, people or well go and have a meeting with them and see if you can arange some kinda agrepent
none of em cept the first one are 100% gonna get you on that land but you might as well try em
none of em cept the first one are 100% gonna get you on that land but you might as well try em
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yeah doing the co-op thing.i kinds messed up and didnt get in on time so now i have to call to see if people cancelled .im home during the week so hopefully ill get lucky any spots you can recommend would be great.I bounc all over the state too .us Ny ers are lucky cuz the states so big and theres plenty of public land and access .Im gonna do a steel head trip in JAN:ibtl:
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Signman... Try to get a spot close to the co-op HQ... Everyone trys to get as far away as possible. There are lots of deer everywhere. Also try to get private permission... there was a nursery a couple of bloks west of the HQ that had plenty of deer and was not hunted much in the past few years.
I miss LI pizza and striper fishing the most. Otherwise, I pretty much stopped hunting there because of the ticks.
Good Luck
I miss LI pizza and striper fishing the most. Otherwise, I pretty much stopped hunting there because of the ticks.
Good Luck
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thaks for the tips. if ya every want to go striper fishing let me know ill go i still got all my surf gear.or we can hit a party boat.Still waiting for my permits
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signman, Don't feel bad... first time in a really long time I didn't fill my doe permit. Took an eight point first day and couldn't buy a doe, no matter what I tried. Well, there's only a few months 'till spring turkey season anyway..,
Never cared for party boats. Don't know when I'll be down there next, but my best striper and bluefish spot is approximately 200 yds west of the west side of the shinnecock inlet jetty, usually best if the western sky turns purple at dusk (never figured that one out, but it just works that way). Use bunker chunks on a slip sinker with a stop on the line about two feet up from the hook. I usually start getting busy pretty soon and won't be on here much 'till fall... Im at [email protected] if you need anything in the summer.
Keep your line tight and your sights straight! Happy New Year!
Never cared for party boats. Don't know when I'll be down there next, but my best striper and bluefish spot is approximately 200 yds west of the west side of the shinnecock inlet jetty, usually best if the western sky turns purple at dusk (never figured that one out, but it just works that way). Use bunker chunks on a slip sinker with a stop on the line about two feet up from the hook. I usually start getting busy pretty soon and won't be on here much 'till fall... Im at [email protected] if you need anything in the summer.
Keep your line tight and your sights straight! Happy New Year!
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