Hey just thought i'd tell you guys if you trap and you need questions i also trap and would be glad to give my in put or i will help you get you a email adress of some one who does but whatever yo udo never use trapperman.com worst site litterally ever i liked it before but my computer crashed and by the time i got a new one and logged on to see my threads they locked me out! permenantly and never buy dobbins lures i did i got nothing just mink lure but still. never use it!