[frontiergander]

Ah seems like randy wakeman and his scare tactics are trying to work and scare people away from their cva muzzle loaders.

IMO the only thing TC has right now is millions of dollars worth of paid sponsorship to make people think they have the best their is. If S&W hadnt bought TC, TC would have gone under.

Bergara barrels are high quality, Ed Shilen helped design and give them pointers on how to make a high quality rifle and Bergara has done just that. They guarantee 1" groups @ 100 yards with their barrel, followed up by a lifetime warranty. We have the CVA Apex 30-06 and .50cal muzzleloader barrel and let me tell you, 1 to 1 1/2" groups is normal with that muzzleloader and open sights with my 62 year old father behind the rifle. The Accuracy and quality of the barrels is just unreal.

You'll hear stories from that writer who talks down on cva about the way the spanish proof their barrels and how they dont proof every barrel they make... Well them not proofing every barrel is true..... TC - Knight They dont proof every barrel either! Yet he wont mention that, And if he does he'll just hit back with, Oh well those barrels are made with strong american steel.

Bergara uses steel made from all over the country including the USA. The Bergara barrels on the muzzleloaders are cut from the same steel they make the center fire barrels out of. This is excellent high quality steel, not some cheap, made in india steel that the write tries to make people believe.

These articles the guy writes are just what i've said earlier, They are simply scare tactics made to scare people away and hopefully for the writer, sell them a savage as hes got his hand in that pot of cheerio's.

Your Wolf is as safe to shoot as ANY other muzzle loader out on the market. Keep it and enjoy it. If you want to upgrade, i highly suggest t he New CVA Wolf or the New CVA Optima, I own one of each and they do 1" groups or better.

 

[BruceBruce1959]

I don't read Randy Wakeman reviews any longer, I really feel bad for the people who do buy into his rhetoric.

 

[Guest]

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[BruceBruce1959]

Savage makes a really good front stuffer without a doubt, but ronn if you know anyone that has the CVA Optima, you should ask to take a couple shots with it, I think you'll be amazed at how far CVA has come along over the years..
I'm not saying you're going ro want to replace the Savage but you will be really suprised with the new CVA Optima.

 

[huntr-]

I'll stick with my Thompson Center Arms thank you. I've owned three different models through thirty years and they are accurate and dependable. I had only one issue years ago and traveled forty five minutes south from my home and they told me to drop it off and go for lunch and return in an hour or so. When I got back they had replaced the barrel and laser sighted it for me and upgraded the sights for free , and it was four years old.I know that they pay for a lot of sponsorships on TV shows but I have been happy with mine and it carries nice . It is in my opinion one of the best out there. So to summarize it I say, TO EACH HIS OWN , IF YOU LIKE IT STICK WITH IT!!!! One more thing, if you have ever pulled up an encore you will agree that it pulls up great, and is an extension of your body. They fit like no other fire arm that I've ever held.

 

[Guest]

Savage makes a really good front stuffer without a doubt, but ronn if you know anyone that has the CVA Optima, you should ask to take a couple shots with it, I think you'll be amazed at how far CVA has come along over the years..
I'm not saying you're going ro want to replace the Savage but you will be really suprised with the new CVA Optima.

you're probably right, bb. mine is pretty old and i see they've made some changes. its the once burned thing.

 

[BruceBruce1959]

you're probably right, bb. mine is pretty old and i see they've made some changes. its the once burned thing.

I know exactly what you mean it is very hard to recover from a sour experience...

I don't own a CVA, I did build a CVA kit years ago and it was an okay weapon
nothing to brag about thats for sure but todays CVA's are really back in the game.

 

[sdwolfden]

I have also heard the "horror stories" about the Wolf barrels blowing up, but I went digging for info and found out that the Wolf barrels that did blew up were loaded with more than the recommended loads. 150 grains is the maximum load and some idiots were using more than that and also were not putting a cleaning patch through the barrel after 3 shots. I carry patches with me on the off chance that I will miss what I shoot at and try more than 3 times in a day. That's what I was instructed to do when I bought my Wolf. I love my Wolf and the first time I hunted with it I got a nice doe. I think that expensive is not always the best, though I know T/C is a great product. I just can't afford to buy expensive guns and just try to get my money's worth. Everyone has their own opinions and I will never try to tell anyone else what to do or buy. If you can afford it, go for it.

 

[pluckit]

TC is #1 in customer sevice.But not as much in product performace any more.Not that they don't make a great gun.I own one and will attest to that.CVA had problems with barrels quite some time ago and recalls were made on those rifles.Randy Wakeman needs to stop his scare tactic campaigne.There is nothing to worry about new CVA's.I just bought a new wolf and have no concerns what so ever.

 

[tchunterva]

i have owned cva and traditions ml i now own a tc encore i had problems with the cva after the first year then bought the traditions it was a very good gun never let me down for the money they are a great gun but but the encore is by far the best ml i have owned or shot they do cost more but they are well worth it thet are by far the best out there

 

[Hunting Man]

Here is where I am coming from on the TC kick. In the beginning it was only Dixie gun works or build your own. When TC brought out their guns the quality was far superior to CVA and others. Traditions came along with similar low budget stuff and TC just kept making quality products. I have a few TC rifles, 2 CVA's( 1 kit), a Knight and an old Traditions that isn't fair to compare to today's guns. With what I have and have owned over the years, only the Knight comes pretty close to past TC quality. I've already said here, CVA and Traditions are today, building quality products and its about time. If you have owned a TC product then you know what I'm talking about. With all that said, no one should purchase products outside of their pre-determined personal/family budgets so buy what you can afford make a sound decision based on quality, service, budget and hunting style, and if that means a CVA, Savage, Traditions, Lyman, TC or high end custom great! The only real important thing is to use and enjoy it. If you tell me others are just as good a TC today, maybe. If you tell me others are better, you'll get a good argument to the contrary.:w00t:

 

[frontiergander]

that 10 year old cva hunterbolt shoots like a $1,200 TC If not better

 

[Hunting Man]

NOT! It ain't happening bro. You're fixing up an old CVA that ronn discarded. It shoots pretty good and you've put in a lot of work at your range, it will make a fine hunter for you, but it's not a TC. Not trying for an argument here but pound for pound the TC takes the CVA everytime. :wink:

 

[frontiergander]

That hunterbolt will beat the stuffing out of a TC. Plains and simple!

That new trigger on it is nice though, i oiled it up last night and let it sit over night. Just waiting for cooler temps to go shooting.

TC's are over rated, all they have going for them is marketing, kind of like matthews/hoyt.

 

[BruceBruce1959]

that 10 year old cva hunterbolt shoots like a $1,200 TC If not better

I'm not a TC fan :no: and I'm not a CVA fan either :no:. but FrontierGander,
I don't take enjoyment in tainting your fantasy but saying a CVA "hunterbolt" will shoot like a TC if not better is like saying
it will outshoot my Traditions pursuit and that's just plain funny. :lol: :lol:

That cva hunterbolt will do what it's suppose to do, (shoot a bullet with OK accuracy) but you cant compare it with todays Muzzleloaders NOT that hunterbolt, no way.

 

[frontiergander]

Are you crazy?!! I have been posting pictures of what its been doing. 1" groups and under is nothing to blow off. 90gr BH209 - 245gr Powerbelts are the groupers in this rifle.

 

[Hunting Man]

BB that's kinda what I tried to say but you did it much better.

 

[frontiergander]

And ive shot Traditions before.

This Evolution with 90gr RS would hold 1 1/2" groups @100 yards with the .501" 250gr Thor conicals. Granted i did have to free float the barrel and remove a LOT of stock material up front. I dont know why traditions has so much material pressing up against the barrel towards the front of the stock.

After free floating and reshaping it shot great.

 

[Hunting Man]

Nice story :surprised: and work but can't compare a corvette to a cobalt. They might each go 80 mph one just does it better than the other with more class/design. If you want/afford the cobalt good but don't tell someone your colbalt is just like a corvette, ain't happening here, :no: way too much experience on hand.:wink:

 

[Guest]

that 10 year old cva hunterbolt shoots like a $1,200 TC If not better

but the point was its not built as well and its not as good a quaility.

a ford escort will get you to the store and back but that don't make it a bmw.