The Thompson Center muzzleloaders do use higher quality barrels than a Wolf. When I went to go buy my Knight KP1, which has a green mountain barrel, the owner of the place was saying how CVA's barrels tend to wear out quicker due to the weaker metal in it. That's all I know about it.
Trade in my Wolf for a Triumph??
I like my Wolf but after reading all of the issues with exploding barrels I'm starting to get nervous. I go to the range alot and put alot of rounds through my guns so I'd hate to be at the range alone with the Wolf after what I've read. My local gun shop has the standard Triumph and the Bone Collector edition in stock and said they do take trade ins. The wife wasn't happy when I mentioned getting another gun but after showing her what I read she's ok with it now. Any suggestions, am I over reacting?
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Really only you can decide, however, as long as the budget allows I can understand trading in the old one. I can highly reccomend TC products. Just this year I went on line and found a 4-shot basic Triumph with a scope mount for $280.00 including shipping. Right now my load is 100 gr of Blackhorn powder, 250 gr TC super glide shockwave bullets, ccI 209 primers. This load gives me hunting accuracy 2" groups at 100 yds. When I can get in some serious range time I think I can get it to 1" at 100 yds.
I would agree with HM on this one. I have a T/C Prohunter and can get a 2" group at 100 yards with the same load.
Thanks for the info it looks like I might have to get the standard Triumph instead of the Bone Collector to save some money. We'll see when I get back in town what my local shop can do.
Let me preface this by saying I do not own a cva so I'm not biased either way.
I would take what you read, especially on the internet with a grain of salt. Cva had issues in the past and in fact went under, the name was bought by another company and now has a huge chunk of the ML market. As long as you are shooting sensible propellant loads I doubt you and the thousands of others that own newer CVA's will have issues.
On the other hand if you have the money to drop on a T/C they are great from what I hear.
I would take what you read, especially on the internet with a grain of salt. Cva had issues in the past and in fact went under, the name was bought by another company and now has a huge chunk of the ML market. As long as you are shooting sensible propellant loads I doubt you and the thousands of others that own newer CVA's will have issues.
On the other hand if you have the money to drop on a T/C they are great from what I hear.
First off I don't own a cva or a t/c. here's my opinion.
Trading a CVA for a Thompson Center has very little gain in fact i'll go as far as to say you would be better off trading the Thompson Center for a CVA based on cost and, "depending on the models being traded of course".
CVA's explains it best when they say,
A CVA is a lot of gun for your money vs. Thompson Centers A lot of money for your gun. No truer words have ever been spoken.
one example= here's a link for product comparison of the CVA Accura and the TC Triumph
It all boils down to the shooters satisfaction, both CVA and T/C have very satisfied customers so it isn't fair to say one is better than the other simply by product name especially when you know and understand the quality, durability, cost and features of both brands.
which ever you decide on good Luck with it and happy safe hunting always.
Trading a CVA for a Thompson Center has very little gain in fact i'll go as far as to say you would be better off trading the Thompson Center for a CVA based on cost and, "depending on the models being traded of course".
CVA's explains it best when they say,
A CVA is a lot of gun for your money vs. Thompson Centers A lot of money for your gun. No truer words have ever been spoken.
one example= here's a link for product comparison of the CVA Accura and the TC Triumph
It all boils down to the shooters satisfaction, both CVA and T/C have very satisfied customers so it isn't fair to say one is better than the other simply by product name especially when you know and understand the quality, durability, cost and features of both brands.
which ever you decide on good Luck with it and happy safe hunting always.
I've got a wolf and I love it. Great little accurate gun. I shoot 100 gr. 777 and 245gr. powerbelts with federal primers and can shoot about 3 inch pattern at 110 yards.
BB, this is one area you and I will dissagree. TC makes far and above the best muzzleloading products period. Knight rifles I thought ran a very close second followed by the rest in a decending order. Just like most things in life you generally get what you pay for. With that said, all of them will shoot. Take a look on line and see which ones hold their value better, a sign of high quality. I do get to make comparisions as I've owned several CVA, Lyman, TC muzzleloaders. I'm not bashing any makes, but you'd be hard pressed to make me a believer that TC is not #1. Spend your money wisely the first time and you'll be happy you did.:yes:
ML
TC is no doubt #1 in Muzzleloading. It is also "MADE IN AMERICA". On the other hand CVA is also a fine rifle. Their problems they had back in the 90's came from cheap Spanish barrels. They now use for the most part Bergara barrels which are top of the line. What you read on the internet regarding blowing up barrels happened many years ago. As mentioned above they have been bought out and are of much better quality now. There are certain people who online love to bash CVA badly and unfortunately new ML people listen to it. If you get a chance ask one certain person if he will tell you about the Savage rifles that blow up in your face. He won't cause he is sponsored by Savage.
I have a CVA Wolf among others, including TC products and I would not hesitate to use it at all. I do not recommend using 150gr of powder in a Wolf as I don't believe it can handle it very well.
Go to a shop and check out various rifles and select the one that fits. CVA Accura is a great rifle!
TC is no doubt #1 in Muzzleloading. It is also "MADE IN AMERICA". On the other hand CVA is also a fine rifle. Their problems they had back in the 90's came from cheap Spanish barrels. They now use for the most part Bergara barrels which are top of the line. What you read on the internet regarding blowing up barrels happened many years ago. As mentioned above they have been bought out and are of much better quality now. There are certain people who online love to bash CVA badly and unfortunately new ML people listen to it. If you get a chance ask one certain person if he will tell you about the Savage rifles that blow up in your face. He won't cause he is sponsored by Savage.
I have a CVA Wolf among others, including TC products and I would not hesitate to use it at all. I do not recommend using 150gr of powder in a Wolf as I don't believe it can handle it very well.
Go to a shop and check out various rifles and select the one that fits. CVA Accura is a great rifle!
I totally agree T/C is the #1 muzzleloader on the market today but that's by popularity not necessarily due to quality or design.BB, this is one area you and I will dissagree. TC makes far and above the best muzzleloading products period. Knight rifles I thought ran a very close second followed by the rest in a decending order. Just like most things in life you generally get what you pay for. With that said, all of them will shoot. Take a look on line and see which ones hold their value better, a sign of high quality. I do get to make comparisions as I've owned several CVA, Lyman, TC muzzleloaders. I'm not bashing any makes, but you'd be hard pressed to make me a believer that TC is not #1. Spend your money wisely the first time and you'll be happy you did.:yes:
Sadly they are over priced and I hope they don't but I'm afraid they're going to price themselves right out of the market especially to someone shopping on a budget.
All the others are capable of marketing good quality rifles, some with more features than T/C offers.
I think it's greed but I don't wish them any bad luck I just hope they become more affordable in the future.
You have to be doing something right to be #1. If they are so over priced how can they hold that position? I'm not trying to be hardheaded on this one BB, but the difference is stark and I agree the price difference is substantial, but hunters across the country are choosing quality and paying for it. Tonight, I won an auction for an older CVA Mountain rifle 50 cal in flint, these were pretty good quality at the time and shot well for the money. This will be for my son/son-in-law to hunt PA late season, with that said its no TC.
TO each his own I love my CVA Accura
Well I went down to my local store and traded in the Wolf and now I have a Triumph. The were out of black scope mounts so I won't be able to mount the scope yet but all in all I feel better about this one. Wish I would have listened to my brother-in-law before I bought the Wolf but hey live and learn.
Bergara Barrels
Just a note about the CVA barrels exploding post earlier.
"Their problems they had back in the 90's came from cheap Spanish barrels. They now use for the most part Bergara barrels which are top of the line."
Many people are under the impression that "Bergara Barrels" is a longstanding premium barrel manufacturer. Not true. I kept hearing about this so I did a little research. Bergara Barrels is owned by BPI, the owner of CVA, and was created in 2006. The name comes from the town, Bergara, Spain where the manufacturer is located. If you go the to Blackpowder Products Inc website at BPI and click on the "History" page you will see this information.
Just thought I'd pass that along. I don't have any experience with the barrels or CVA so I can't evaluate further but I'll stick with my American made T/C's for now.
Just a note about the CVA barrels exploding post earlier.
"Their problems they had back in the 90's came from cheap Spanish barrels. They now use for the most part Bergara barrels which are top of the line."
Many people are under the impression that "Bergara Barrels" is a longstanding premium barrel manufacturer. Not true. I kept hearing about this so I did a little research. Bergara Barrels is owned by BPI, the owner of CVA, and was created in 2006. The name comes from the town, Bergara, Spain where the manufacturer is located. If you go the to Blackpowder Products Inc website at BPI and click on the "History" page you will see this information.
Just thought I'd pass that along. I don't have any experience with the barrels or CVA so I can't evaluate further but I'll stick with my American made T/C's for now.
i have a wolf and i love it
Wow,some of these answers are very interesting.Well here is mine,I agree 100% with Bruce.As a Knight owner I will never own any other.It is about how much money you can spend and about hype and prestige.We all want to brag about the things we own,about them being better than other makes,right?That don't mean they are.I love Knight and I'm sure I always will,are they the best?They are to me.But,probably not to you.When you are watching hunting shows,which one has the most commercials?T/C of course.So,if they spend the most money on advertising,makes sense they would be #1 and #1 on being the most costly,advertising costs alot of money.But,they are owned by Smith and Wesson.One thing I will also agree with is that T/C DOES make a very high quality firearm,one that I am sure will last your lifetime with the proper care.
One thing that everyone gets here is an equal opinion. I wish Knight would haved stayed in business and I can't see how they didn't make it. Knight rifles made significant improvements to the in-line muzzleloader market. I endorse TC products because they are high quality and have never let me down. Just my 2 cents worth opinion.
I'm not sure about this but I was told that someone else was going to buy the company and continue making the rifles. I sure hope someone does.One thing that everyone gets here is an equal opinion. I wish Knight would haved stayed in business and I can't see how they didn't make it. Knight rifles made significant improvements to the in-line muzzleloader market. I endorse TC products because they are high quality and have never let me down. Just my 2 cents worth opinion.
i do believe its a matter of personal choice i will say t/c barrels are high quality though but is what tickles your personal fancy . you want it get it is my motto lol! but my triumph pulls 1 in to 3/4 in groups at 200 yrds it all depends on your sabot i use barnes spitfire tmz expanders they are boat tailed and super accurate just not super cheap
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