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A Step Forward and a Step Backwards.

There is a new device on the market to help us take a step backwards in honing our hunting skills. It also helps us take a step forward in providing negative thoughts by anti hunters and non-hunters.
The device is the Game Spy. As I understand it, it is designed to alert us when game is near. Think about it.
How many deer have I failed to connect on because they busted me, saw me before I saw them? Untold numbers and some dang big ones, too. Why was I caught? I was not a good enough hunter. That is it, plain and simple. I could not hunt well enough, could not stay alert. Now I don’t have to. This little thing will tell me when a deer gets within 80-feet of me in any direction.
Personally, I do not think it is fair chase. Personally, I am opposed to it. Personally, I think the company is going to make fortune if it does what I understand it does. That of course, is depending on legality. If it is legal, and the person two trees down from me wants to use one, it is not my problem. He certainly has the right to and I shall not think less of him for doing so. It is not my problem.
On the other hand, is it?
How do you think PETA will use this information to portray hunting? How do you think the non-hunting majority will view it? Maybe it is my problem…and yours.
Why does a device like this have such a bright future? Because so many of us don’t want to learn to hunt. We want to kill and more importantly, we want to kill big bucks like the guys and gals on TV kill so easily. Many will go to almost any lengths to do so. We do not want to work at hunting as our ancestors did. We want to take the easy way to put the heads on the wall.
As we move deeper into this century, we move away from learning woodsmanship and hunting skills and we move closer to being placed on the endangered species list.
One step backwards in learning skills and one step forward towards extinction.

Just my opinion. You are more than welcome to yours
 

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Boy i gotta get this along with my soaps,scents,scentlock clothing,special gum,shampoo,flaregun scentdispenser,dont drink the night bfore,watch what you eat when hunting,weight forward arrows,carbon boots,etc.Wait come to figure i shot just as many deer with bow and gun years ago in jeans and a camo hoodie.Go figure:crazy::crazy::crazy:
 

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Scribe I just got back from PA tonight. Hunted with flintlocks nothing else. Simple and pure enjoyment. I turned down several shots at young deer as I wanted a mature doe or buck only. Seems like we don't have the time to train the youngins like we learned ourselves. There is so much knowledge to share but it just takes so much time to teach. I don't like what I see in the near future for hunters.
 

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I wonder...in five years will this come with a video screen and self-scoring software and the range moved out to 100 yards. Can we download onto our cell phones and get a "book" score before we shoot?

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I was taught to hunt by my uncle.I was taught to watch the wind,be patient and any deer is a trophy.The biggest thing i learned was respect for the animal your hunting.There is a huge difference in hunting and killing.The gadgets and stupidity that keep coming out and people buying them amazes me.Nowadays a kid expects to shoot a 160 his first day out and that any other deer is inferior thanks to these tv shows.Obviously my last post was sarcastic but who if they bought this product would feel like a hunter.I also feel the same way about the REAL TIME TRAIL CAMS where they watch where the deer are at that moment.Just my 2cents.
 

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I'm not into trail cams, electronic calls, ect either, takes away one of the best things about hunting; scouting and woods time, the chess game, as I like to call it. The Chess Game is putting the woods puzzle together as you see it, out scouting not from camers mounted over a feeders. Why bother looking for scrapes, rubs, trails, funnels, every thing that hunting is about, when you can hang a feeder and trail cam and know what you're going to shoot and just sit out and shoot it when it comes to feed like a cow. I'll bet some on here will get their dander up but facts are facts. If you want to hunt with all the things to guarantee something, fine with me, just don't call it hunting. Lets call it getting from now on. All the gadgets currently available take away the art of hunting as it was taught over the last 200 years. That probably doesn't bother many, it does bother me. I will say that I know our/my age has something to do with hunting perceptions but we're loosing the art of hunting and few seem to care. Scribe, you hit on a sore subject for me as I watched my brother's son get mad after missing his first buck and headed back to camp to play with electronic game boys. Had it been me, he would have toughed it out learned his first lesson: failure is one of the best teaching tools available. It forces you to think, what did I do wrong and correct it.! Take away the hunting Chess Game and I'm done hunting, getting, whatever we call anymore. Hunting in it's purest form is the greatest feeling a hunter can experience, I hope all here have that same experience packed away in their memory files. Fire back folks, I'm primed and ready. :boxing:
 

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I don't agree with these new gizmos either, but I do agree with trail cams. I enjoy seeing the wildlife in the woods and it gives reasurance to me when I start thinking there are NO deer around. I use trail cams as a patterning tool. I'll never use real-time trail cams nor will I use this 80 ft deer thing. Personally, if you don't know a deer is within 80 ft of you, you need to find another sport.
 

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Scribe - 80 feet you say?? Hmmm, let me get out my calculator, oh, wait a minute, 25 yards times 3 feet per yard . . . . I'd say that was just shy of 27 yards or so. I haven't seen anything get within 27 yards or so of my blind, except maybe for the 6 point that walked up from behind me a few years back.

But I agree with everyone else (so far), in that true hunting is a lot more than just plopping yourself in a blind or tree stand and expecting a really nice 8 point to show up on opening day of the season. (okay, so that happened to me this season, but it certainly is a first in many, many seasons)

My sons have both spent many days with me and seen nothing. My oldest did get his "trophy" a few years back, although it might not be called one by northern whitetail standards (maybe 90-110 score?). And some of y'all might not even call what we do here in Tx real 'hunting', since we're allowed to use bait such as corn.

But hunting to me is spending time in the woods or pasture or whatever you have to hunt on, finding the trails, scrapes, etc. and making the best of whatever situation you have. The time that we have to spend on our children and grand-children, getting them into the stands, introducing them to shooting and hunting, teaching them that in time they will eventually get a trophy, and more important (for me) is that whatever you are getting, it is for putting food on the table and not killing just to be killing.

Okay, I'll get off my soap box now. Guess I got a bit long winded on that one.

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I don't believe on real time cameras either (unless I could put them by the road to watch for poachers!) but I do like trail cams. I wasn't into hunting until hubby got ours and we started to check them. I think its fun to see what's out there and eventhough ours is by a feeder we aren't shooting them like cattle coming in to feed. I sit on the other side of the field with my bow where they cross. Now that its rifle season the deer are mostly nocturnal because of all the pressure from other hunters and the trail cam has let us know what's still there. That gives me hope for next bow season. Its also alot of fun for our little girl to look at the pics. It lets her see deer that she wouldn't be able to see otherwise. It fuels my sons ambition to get his shooting more accurate with his bow and build up his draw weight so someday he'll get a shot at "the deer in the pictures".
 

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I agree Kansasdoe--- using trail cams gives ya something to show-off to your co-workers about and gives you something to talk about.... why not use these pics to get people interested?
 

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A trail cam, although I do not use them, have many valuable uses. This device is nothing but a device to cover for an inability. If you say a deer has never snuck up on you, how do you know?

If you hunt much, especially bowhunt and in places besides wide open plains, it has happened to you. You may not know it, but it has. And as you get older, it will happen more often as your hearing and eyesight begin to decrease. I hunt most of the time in really thick stuff. From most of my stands, it is hard to see 30-yards. Happens to me all the time. Most of the time, I get a chuckle out of it. Sometimes, it freaks me out. :w00t:
 

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Like I said I think our age and the time period we began our life time pursuit has a lot to do with how we look at stuff. My son loves his trail cams and hunts about 1/4 mi from his feeder. In PA the closest thing we ever got to was food plots and I hunt quite a ways away from those. Understand I'm not knocking anything, just have a different perspective on how I look at hunting. I would like to see more youth be given the oppertunity to learn the woods and how deer interact with nature and then be able to decipher a plan to hunt them instead of hanging a feeder and a hunt from a heated shack and call that hunting. I think that teaches kids that harvesting is the only important part of hunting which makes it a sad senario to me. Everyone has a different take on this issue, I think some will agree with me and many will not. It's a good discussion for winter blahs though! :wink:
 

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I grew up hunting in deep swamps. I mean way deep. There were no roads, we went in by boat most of the time. There were very few deer. Mostly we squirrel hunted. I am dead certain squirrel hunting has no peer when it comes to learning woodscraft. It requires the use of all of the craft and senses. I learned well because I had three suprb mentors.

When I was 11, our three deer dogs ran an eight-point by me at 35-yards. I was shooting and L.C. Smith, 12 double with 32" full choke tubes. The double oughts dropped him inside 20 yards. I believe I may have had a heart attack. His head looks down on me as I write this. He has been re-mounted three times. I was hooked. It became my life's work.

Over the years, hunting in general and deer hunting in particluar became my avocation and my vocation. It is what I did at least 120-days a year. The rest of the time, I scouted and studied deer. That is what I did for a living. Naturally, I formed some opinions. One of the most important being, if it is legal and someone else wants to do it, it is fine with me. What someone else does, so long as it is legal, is not my problem.

Some technological advances did not bother me; some did. If I felt it gave the hunter an unfair advantage, I did not approve of it. If I felt it threatened the sport, wrote about it. Now if you want to start the boots, treestands, camo BS, I'll plead guilty. To this day, I can't see how a treestand is an advantage. But the key is unfair.

Shooting a deer with a spotlight is unfair. To me, shooting over bait is unfair. I don't use trail cams but I certainly don't think they are unfair. In fact, I think they cost hunters a lot of deer.

New rifles, faster bows...all that crap still depends on one thing, hunter proficiency. That is not unfair. To me, a device that warns when an animal is near, removes hunter proficiency from the equation. That is unfair. Bait removes the entire hunting aspect. You just sit there and shoot. Not for me but I don't care if someone else does it sao long as it is legal. A device that tell me a deer is walking behind...that is unfair. I should have heard him.

Oh, maybe I didn't mention, I am deaf. :unsure:
 

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Late season cedar swamp bow hunting in Michigan's UP, those are fond memories also some of the coldest times I've ever experienced. I tried to describe how cold a cedar swamp can be to those who have never had the pleasure and I said climb into a freezer (not literally) for about 8 hours and you will begin to have an idea what cold is. Growing up in NW Ohio I did a lot of duck and goose hunting with some small game also. I started deer hunting at age 11. It took several years to be successful but I learned along the way mostly by myself. I was able to get my dad and brother to join me deer hunting in PA and had many years with them. They are both hunting a different place now but those were great times. Never got over the time I lost my Dad's favorite Ithaca model 37 in Lake Erie... that's another story. I think we can all agree that hunting is a good thing and doing it your own way is the only thing that really matters.
 

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I moved to TN from WY so I had an idea what cold is. One year, back in the 60's, I spent three days snowed in in a tent up in the Tetons. The warmest it got was -20 with a howling wind. Thank God for Coleman fuel, sterno and elk stew. Have never been that cold since and dang sure don't want to. Still have a couple places that peel every winter from the frostbite.

I have come to like lows in the 30's and highs in the 70's. 19 here this morning with 1/2 inch of snow. I'm heading for AL in an hour. :lol:
 
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