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I'm siding with wmi and the hunters too and believe when it comes to issues that put my hunting privilege's at risk I have ZERO tolerance.. BUT I'm not going to promote hunting at a daycare, A daycre area is and always should be a safety zone.
I never said I was for the Ban all I said was (Paul Peditto, director of the DNR's Wildlife and Heritage Service.) is encouraging a ban.

What I mill say is the Daycare area needs to be addressed and I AGREE to that but if the result is going to affect other areas that's where I draw the line.
 

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I'm siding with wmi and the hunters too and believe when it comes to issues that put my hunting privilege's at risk I have ZERO tolerance.. BUT I'm not going to promote hunting at a daycare, A daycre area is and always should be a safety zone.
I never said I was for the Ban all I said was (Paul Peditto, director of the DNR's Wildlife and Heritage Service.) is encouraging a ban.

What I mill say is the Daycare area needs to be addressed and I AGREE to that but if the result is going to affect other areas that's where I draw the line.
Peditto is against it. I sat beside him until 2am. He made it clear to all that DNR makes the laws for hunters and is the only one who can enforce them. He was also VERY clear DNR will NOT enforce these changes if passed. He also stated that this knee jerk response is unjustified. Hundreds showed and the split was about 85% against, 15% for. Boy we (Hunters)are in for a long road, those PETA people are wacked. Crying, screaming, and full of dramatics. Don't get me started on their the lies. I for one was diappointed in my fellow hunters. I felt there should have been thousands. I also feel angry that they could not get up off their lazy butts to be there defending our sport. I'm telling you all the threat is REAL and you better wake up. Don't know the out come but I promise I will be there every step of the way till it is gone. I AM A HUNTER AND PROUD OF IT.:boxing:
 

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well, i see what you guys are saying, about the range of slugs and there use: CLOSE RANGE, but in my opinion, if a shooter's gun can print lethal patterns at --- yds and he/she can hit that range then it is within range of his/her AND equipments acurate range and is ethical.FOR EXAMPLE: when i first started bowhunting i was fine with a draw of 43 lbs and a max range of 20 yards,and my dad thought i was crazy for wanting to even attempt any farther, now im shooting 50-ish and could put arrows in a target the size of a slate call all day long at 40 yards. and as for the hunting acidents, yes there will be acidents but if people just used common sense there would be far less.BUT, as far as 100+ yds with a slug goes,i wouldent and wont atempt the unless i and my gun will do it (or if it is windy) but were i usually hunt i can only get a clear shot to 50 MABEY 75 yards. the extended rang shots would be for EXTREAM worst case scenarios(if i can pull it off). but dont get me wrong, i see were you are coming from, if i were planning 250+ on a regular basis i would buy a rifle. I guess only testing will tell. and as always, BE SAFE OUT THERE;)
 

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Venison~lover, you're absolutely right. IF you are able to put 200 yard shots in the vitals at the shooting range then
there's no reason why you should have to limit your abilities in your hunting woods. As long as you're within the law
and aware of your surroundings and are able to release a good safe shot.

This discussion wasn't directed at you and I hope you didn't think it was.
wmi has an active situation in his state right now that makes this a touchy subject for him right
now and I'm sure you understand that as well.

When you go to the Range I'd be interested in hearing how well you're shooting
and at what distances you're shooting at with slugs.

Good Luck to you.
 

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I hope to add to the slug gun topic when I get this gun package put together and see what it will do. I have access to long ranges for sight-ins. Opinions in the forums are simply that. Some are based on actual experience and others on plublished articles. Hopefully the blend of both contributes to good advise and information for those seeking it. I think here we do a pretty good job on both fronts. With hunting season over now I have time to get my slug gun project completed. Well see what the 870 can do!
 
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yeah you know what they say about opinions and everyone having one. There is a lot to consider when pushing the absolute limits of anything. Rifle, bow, shotgun, bullet weight high or low for any caliber, car, people and so on. Whats the wind drift of a BIG SLOW pumpkin ball at 200,300 yards? Whats the energy and is it enough? the difference between super long shots with a bow and super long shots with a gun is in the way they kill. the bow by cutting and bleeding to death and the gun by shock waves to destroy cells. so with a bow you need enough to cut arteries and the gun enough energy to wreck enough cells to get the job done. Just cause someone can hit a deer at super long range doesn't mean there is enough energy left to do the job cleanly and quickly. just my opinion, stinking or not.
 

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you and I agree ronn! Extreem shooting should be something for the experienced not for the novise. The experienced one would know the limits and not exceed them for any reason. Thats just my opinion.:rolleyes:
 

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All of the above is right on the mark. I have been hunting a very long time and I too will take long shots. This being said I practice a great deal to make sure my shots always hit their mark. Personally I keep my 870 to 150 yards or less. Can I make shots longer yes I can but you are really pushing the limits of the weapon. If I may make a suggestion if you want to be able to take shots at longer ranges why not use one of today's modern muzzle loaders instead? They are far more accurate and can be used even during gun season. Being that they are a single shot they force the shooter to make better judgements afield. They can make ethical shots at longer ranges up to 250 yards with practice. I myself now only use my muzzle loaders during gun season for just this reason. It boils down to using the right tool for the right job. Pushing the envelope in anything only leads to higher risk and questionable ethics. In this day and age of our hunting heritage being under constant attack we as hunters need to take a step back and think of the possibility of a stray bullet or the needless wounding of an animal. Bottom line is it just does not make us look good in the public eye. The public as I have seen here in Maryland does not look at the individual but the group as a whole.
 

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3" and the other thing that I would recomend is the Limb Saver Recoil Pad. Not the slip on but the screw on. The groups at 100 yards from a bench are under 1 1/2" believe it or not. I shoot the Remingtons like Bruce does. They shot so well I never bothered with any others much. If it ain't broke don't fix it thing.
 

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These are the ones I use in 3", they aren't available in 3-1/2"
Sabot Slugs
 

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I have to say that I agree with wmi. If these punks were not hunters (daycare incident), they should not even look at changing the hunting regulations. One of the major problems is that the parents, schools and society do very little to nothing with the youth as far as discipline and consequences until AFTER they have have done a very stupid act that did or could have seriously injured or killed a person. Even then, they place some of the blame on the current rules and regulations and not 100% of the responsibility on those who did the stupid act. Most kids today have very little responsibility and are not taught how to make correct decisions.

I grew up on a farm. Dad always taught us safety first, last and always and to think things through (this was carried over to hunting, firearms, driving, basically everything). When dad knew we could be trusted and after we had demonstrated good judgements, we were allowed to work by ourselves. I think I was about 11 or 12 years old when I was able to drive the tractor to the field by myself and work the field without supervision. I might be about 7 miles from home, and these were narrow country roads with a 4WD tractor and a 27 foot to 50 foot implement. Sometimes mom would drive by to make sure everything was okay. Neither my brother nor I had a close call.

I have hunted deer with rifles and slug guns (fully rifled and smooth bore). For a fully rifled slug gun I prefer to stay below 125 yards but will go out to 150 yards if the weather conditions and the shot opportunity are right. A slug is really prone to wind drift.

On the PETA issue, did you hear that they want ice cream to be made from human milk and not milk from a cow? PETA says that milking a cow is painful to the cow, we are depriving the calf of it's mothers milk and the cows are constantly pregnant so they will continue producing milk. Yep, PETA has all of those "facts" totally wrong too.

Amazing how PETA is concerned about cows, but they are not concerned about all the babies that are aborted each year (and the mothers who had the abortion). Statistics have shown that almost all of the mothers who had an abortion will have a mental problem later in life as a result.
 

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good points. and, i think i will be getting a mossberg 535 ats combo, instead. it seems to make more sense to me.
 

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I ended up getting the 870 super mag combo. Im 15 and shoot 3,5'' win. supreme turkey loads. All you "vets" who cringe at 3.5''s either have a STEEL recoil pad, shoot 5 lb. guns, or are very tender.
 
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