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Well said Hunting Man. Folks we need to realize hunting is not a "right" but a privilage, that can be taken away or put out of reach for mopst of us. As to the question of slug guns, I bought my youngest son an 870 turkey special years ago. When time came for him to move up from squirrels and rabbits to deer, I bought him a rifled choke tube and a side mount scope bracket. He shot sabotted slugs, Federals and Lightfields I believe. To this day that's the most accurate "off the shelf" slug gun I've ever seen. He could consistantly get 3" groups @ 125yds. This may be the exception rather than the rule, but I still wouldn't try shooting at game out to 175 - 200 yds with it. We don't need to confuse slug guns with rifle ranges unless the gun is designed for it, and even at that, manufacturers always present their products at the very best they will be able to perform.