[wmi]

This is ridiculous. Any slug shot past 150 (and that is a stretch) comes from an unethical hunter------YAHOO! The gun Ron refers to is more of a bolt action rifle and like he said you are going to pay for it too. Come on guys stop beating around the bush and tell it like it is. DO NOT SHOOT A SLUG PAST 150 YARDS! They are not designed for it. Most slug guns have a very hard time holding a consistant group past 75 yards from the average shooter. A 4" group at 100 yards is very good in most cases. 200 or 300 yard shots please for all of us Stay Home.

 

[wmi]

This particular subject is a sore spot with me right now because of an issue happening right now in my state. Thanks to one man who SLUNG a sabot slug at a deer over 200 yards his stray round went through the front window of a day care center 275 yards away. Nobody was hurt however tonight I am going to a hearing with hundreds of other hunters because the anti's have started a bill to change the current laws regarding safety zones for ALL hunting weapons. Currently we have to maintain 150 yards from dwellings. The new law would change that to 300 yards and/or maximum range of your weapon. All weapons would have to be used only from an elevated treestands and NO hunting on properties less than 10 acres. This yahoo is responsible for possibly ELIMINATING hunting all together for about 40% of lands in surrounding areas of the Washington/Baltimore areas as well as many other areas of the state. Most farms here are less than 100 acres so with these new regs that could possibly pass and thinking of barns and such even these farms would be illegal to hunt. Now this would effect everyone from waterfowlers to squirrel hunters to deer hunters and on. This is a RED HOT topic here that has got the whole state of hunters in an uproar. All of this because of one idiot. Think of it MILLIONS of rounds fired every year here during hunting seasons and one accident like this and the hole it left poured hundreds of PETA and anti hunting morons. Don't think for one moment it could not happen in your home state as well.:wallbash: We cannot just flower and perfume subjects like this. There is no gray areas anymore. Our hunting rights are under attack and it is up to us to teach as well as enforce GOOD hunting ethics.

 

[wmi]

according to the Facts your hunting rights aren't under attack at all, It looks to me like the state is trying to negotiate safer hunting not eliminate it.

This wasn't an isolated incident for Md. The Daycare shooting was the second incident that took place during this years hunting, On Nov. 29, two bullets hit a home near Williamsport, resulting in negligent hunting. charges against Rodney Harne, 19, of Williamsport. One bullet entered the home through a window and the other broke a garage window. Harne was also more than 150 yards from the home, police say.
No one was hurt in either incident.

I know how you feel wmi but how do you and the other hunters expect to argue it when your own (Paul Peditto, director of the DNR's Wildlife and Heritage Service.) is encouraging a ban.

Peditto said Tuesday that rather than seeking a change in state law, county officials should first consider banning firearm discharges in areas where development has made hunting with guns inappropriate.

"We're willing to continue working with the counties regarding their concerns raised by these unfortunate circumstances, but because both of these individuals have been charged with negligent hunting, it does beg the question whether changing the words in the law book would change the outcome and/or the behavior," Peditto said.

Montgomery County – On Friday, Jan. 9, the Maryland Natural Resources Police charged a Germantown man with natural resources and criminal violations. The charges are the result of an investigation that started in Sept. of 2008.

Paul K. Howell Jr., 18, of Germantown was charged with shooting on, from, or across a roadway; nighttime hunting; hunting within a safety zone; reckless endangerment; malicious destruction of property; and violating a Montgomery County weapons ordinance.

The incident started on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2008 after NRP received a report of an individual finding a hunting arrow inside his Spring Meadows Drive residence. The arrow had entered the residence through the front window and landed on a sofa inside the house. Montgomery County Police took the initial report.

A court date of Feb. 26 has been scheduled for Howell in Montgomery County District Court.

Queen Anne’s County – On Thursday, Jan. 1, at 9 a.m., the Maryland Natural Resources Police charged four individuals with exceeding the daily bag limit of Canada geese on private property near Crumpton.

Christopher W. Figiel, 50, of Millington, Harry J. Langley, 65, of Preston, Brice E. Haddaway, 19 and Kyle J. Sadowski, 18, both of Chester were charged after NRP observed the men allegedly shoot eleven geese from a blind near the intersection of Routes 290 and 544.

The daily bag limit for Canada geese is two geese per person per day. During the incident, NRP seized as evidence, three Canada geese. A court date of Feb. 11 has been scheduled for the individuals in Queen Anne’s County District Court.




You guys are in a tough situation down there in Md. It sounds like you have a whole heap of YAHOOS "UnderEdumucated" Trust Me I'd be the first person to jump onto the battle wagon where bans on hunting areas become a concern but when the area isn't a safe area to discharge a weapon It's kind of hard to argue the issue, I would give up the area rather than risk further accidents BUT I would definately fight for the area's where the ban wouldn't be necessary.

Bruce I have read the FACTS AND YES THEY ARE! Have already been to 4 meetings on this and it is only getting worse. The Williamport deal was just a bunch of punks acting like punks. They were not hunting but the anti's have placed them amongst the hunters. Williamport is in the sticks compared to the rest of the state. In our state it is a numbers game. We have so many hunters in such a relative small area a few and I mean VERY few problems have happened. Keep in mind how many hunters versus how many issues and you will find we are probably one of the safest states around. The biggest problem is all of the librals,Anti's, and PETA people we have here making even one thing into everyone is going to die from a hunter in their own living room. They are trying to make it sound as if it is all just for safety. Well that is BS. If safety was the issue they would have banned automobiles decades ago here in this state with all the Kamikazes we have on our roads. The point is if you place MILLIONS of people in a small area you are going to have a few jackasses so what do you do penalize a half a million hunters because of 3 or 4 morons? Bottom line is they are looking for any hole they can slither through to take away our hunting rights. I should as a very good friend of mine stated "Hunting is not a right but a privilege therefore it can be taken away". Bruce have you been to Maryland? If so and if this bill would pass tell me where you would be able to hunt. How many other states would fall into this situation? Tell you what they are already targeting states such as NY,NJ,PA,ILL,FLA,VA,CA,MI,RI,DEL,etc...-----MANY MORE. All these doors have been opened over things just like this starting topic. To everyone here on this board you better pay attention to what happens here because if it passes as written they will be coming to your state too. This is your wake up call and you better not press the snooze button or you will be too late.:zzz: This whole thing is like a ladder, if they get hold of the bottom they can control its entire balance. Now with that said we are on Washington's front door. Hello is anyone listening?

 

[wmi]

No I don't agree. I believe in full prosecution of the guilty not condemning of the innocent. There is no difference between cars, guns,sticks or stones. Dead is dead and injury is injury. Therefore an accident is an accident. One is always found at fault and the other is not found guilty of being on the road.
In this case regarding the bill like all of the other crap our congress passes it has a lot of garbage that has nothing to do with the main issue. How could you view Maryland with waterfowling practically eliminated. Here it is a tradition of many generations. This bill is the first step in banning fire arms in this state. This is the intention and is well known behind the scenes. Have you heard of ripple affect? Well they are headed your way too. Having your opinion here would be the kiss of death to my 2nd amendment rights and hunting privileges. Anger is what politicians listen too. They are listening to the whining liberals and anti's aren't they? I for one am not standing on the sidelines waiting to see what happens. The NRA and SCI along with the Congressional Sportsman is here to fight it as well. I will side with them thank you.

 

[wmi]

I'm siding with wmi and the hunters too and believe when it comes to issues that put my hunting privilege's at risk I have ZERO tolerance.. BUT I'm not going to promote hunting at a daycare, A daycre area is and always should be a safety zone.
I never said I was for the Ban all I said was (Paul Peditto, director of the DNR's Wildlife and Heritage Service.) is encouraging a ban.

What I mill say is the Daycare area needs to be addressed and I AGREE to that but if the result is going to affect other areas that's where I draw the line.

Peditto is against it. I sat beside him until 2am. He made it clear to all that DNR makes the laws for hunters and is the only one who can enforce them. He was also VERY clear DNR will NOT enforce these changes if passed. He also stated that this knee jerk response is unjustified. Hundreds showed and the split was about 85% against, 15% for. Boy we (Hunters)are in for a long road, those PETA people are wacked. Crying, screaming, and full of dramatics. Don't get me started on their the lies. I for one was diappointed in my fellow hunters. I felt there should have been thousands. I also feel angry that they could not get up off their lazy butts to be there defending our sport. I'm telling you all the threat is REAL and you better wake up. Don't know the out come but I promise I will be there every step of the way till it is gone. I AM A HUNTER AND PROUD OF IT.:boxing:

 

[wmi]

All of the above is right on the mark. I have been hunting a very long time and I too will take long shots. This being said I practice a great deal to make sure my shots always hit their mark. Personally I keep my 870 to 150 yards or less. Can I make shots longer yes I can but you are really pushing the limits of the weapon. If I may make a suggestion if you want to be able to take shots at longer ranges why not use one of today's modern muzzle loaders instead? They are far more accurate and can be used even during gun season. Being that they are a single shot they force the shooter to make better judgements afield. They can make ethical shots at longer ranges up to 250 yards with practice. I myself now only use my muzzle loaders during gun season for just this reason. It boils down to using the right tool for the right job. Pushing the envelope in anything only leads to higher risk and questionable ethics. In this day and age of our hunting heritage being under constant attack we as hunters need to take a step back and think of the possibility of a stray bullet or the needless wounding of an animal. Bottom line is it just does not make us look good in the public eye. The public as I have seen here in Maryland does not look at the individual but the group as a whole.

 

[wmi]

3" and the other thing that I would recomend is the Limb Saver Recoil Pad. Not the slip on but the screw on. The groups at 100 yards from a bench are under 1 1/2" believe it or not. I shoot the Remingtons like Bruce does. They shot so well I never bothered with any others much. If it ain't broke don't fix it thing.

 

[wmi]

wmi, what slugs are you using in your 870, and are they 3" or 3-1/2"?? Thanks HM

3 1/2" OUCH!!!!!! I'm a hunter but not into whips and chains. LOL:w00t: