Sorry to hear you guys didn't have a lot luck. Here in west kansas it was pretty good. Back in Sept. i got a fork horn muley, first muzzleloader deer ever, so i was happy. My boy got his first whitetail opening day of rifle season, would have been a 10 point but it had broken off most of its tines during the rut. 2 buddies got 4 pt. muleys and one got a nice 3x4 muley. Didn't fill my doe tag but really didn't try either also still can hunt archery until Jan 1. Will be my first archery kill if i am successful, hopefully will get sometime to go.