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For whatever reason I got the itch for another big bore lever rifle recently. I started looking for another .444 Marlin to scope and have as a companion to the one I already own topped with a peep sight. Along the way I found a killer deal on an 1895M (.450 Marlin) I simply could not refuse, even though I already had a BLR in that cartridge.

It took forever for it to arrive (bad omen, maybe?) and my worst fears were realized within about 1 minute of opening the box at the receiving FFL. I'd read a good bit about Marlin's recent woes and thought I had a handle on what years should still be quality made rifles owning two that had been made in '07 and this one's being made in '08. Not so smart as I'd thought or oughtta be, I reckon. :no:

The rifle will be sent back to Marlin for replacement stock(s) as the buttstock is grossly ill-fitted and the forend is a complete mismatch to it as well. I actually believe that somehow a birch wood forend got installed along with a walnut (what's supposed to be there) butt. Anyway, within about 18 hours or so I'd spoken to Marlin customer service and finally was told to go ahead and ship it to them for repairs or replacement (should be replacement!)

I now know better than to buy any NIB Marlin product before thoroughly looking it over first. Perhaps the one good thing is that I've obviously been able to do a good once-over on the metal finish and also the mechanics of this particular rifle. There have been many recent complaints about both those things and this rifle looks to be trouble free in those departments. The action works smoothly and has been function checked with both 350 & 325gr loads and the trigger is excellent.

Maybe it will all work out in the end....:wallbash:
 

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You are tougher than I am

You must be a little immune to recoil. I fired a couple rounds through a 45-70 Guide gun and decided that I will stick to my 30-06s. The 450 Marlin is suppose to be a lot more energy/recoil.

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And I thought that I was a glutton for punishment with a Remington Model 81 in .300 Savage. Just zeroing the scope last year left my shoulder purple, orange, and yellow (and possibly a couple of other colors from the visual spectrum). Like Karl said "You must be a little immune to recoil."

But then again, I'm a little on the "light" side, weighing in at only about 165-170. Recoil on a rifle does have an impact, regardless how well I tuck it in.
 

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I've went and done the same thing in ordering that X-Bolt Browning especially through Dick's sporting goods. The 325 wsm might be a tad more than I want to tackle but at 50% off I couldn't pass. The model is the RMEF special x-bolt. I hope for really nice wood on it. One good thing is it should always be worth more than I paid for it. Sight unseen sometimes comes back to haunt you, sometimes we never learn. :ph34r:
 

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I've went and done the same thing in ordering that X-Bolt Browning especially through Dick's sporting goods. The 325 wsm might be a tad more than I want to tackle but at 50% off I couldn't pass. The model is the RMEF special x-bolt. I hope for really nice wood on it. One good thing is it should always be worth more than I paid for it. Sight unseen sometimes comes back to haunt you, sometimes we never learn. :ph34r:
I will certainly give you the nod with buying Browning sight unseen vs Marlin after all their recent problems...
 

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You must be a little immune to recoil. I fired a couple rounds through a 45-70 Guide gun and decided that I will stick to my 30-06s. The 450 Marlin is suppose to be a lot more energy/recoil.

Karl
Both the 45-70 and .450 have fairly stout recoil with all the loads I use in them. I've fired the LE 325 in both guns (2000 & 2225 FPS) plus some 400gr @ 1800 FPS in the 45-70 and 350gr @ 2100 FPS in the .450. If I know I'm going to shoot more than just a couple to check zero, I way prefer to use a lead sled to help out with the recoil. My .444 shooting 265gr @ 2325 FPS is a step down in felt recoil. There's just something about those big ole bullets though.....:boxing:
 

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You are the man, just don't hurt yourself

It is a great idea to use the Lead Sled to take the punishment. I have watched a lot of shooters during the Hunter Sight In Days almost crying firing their 12 ga slug guns. After 5-10 rounds through their shotguns they are many times unable to shoot any kind of a group to adjust their scopes or sights. They are anticipating pain coming at the pull of the trigger. I remember John Wooters as a fine author who detached his retna in his eye. I think heavy recoiling rifles were what was blamed for it. He was able to get it re-attached but due to his vison not returning after months he switched over to left eye/left hand shooting. I don't remember Craig Bottington another popular Guns and Ammo author every reporting on the dangers of recoil causing real injury.

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It is a great idea to use the Lead Sled to take the punishment. I have watched a lot of shooters during the Hunter Sight In Days almost crying firing their 12 ga slug guns. After 5-10 rounds through their shotguns they are many times unable to shoot any kind of a group to adjust their scopes or sights. They are anticipating pain coming at the pull of the trigger. I remember John Wooters as a fine author who detached his retna in his eye. I think heavy recoiling rifles were what was blamed for it. He was able to get it re-attached but due to his vison not returning after months he switched over to left eye/left hand shooting. I don't remember Craig Bottington another popular Guns and Ammo author every reporting on the dangers of recoil causing real injury.

Karl
If there's anyone wanting to gain a large block of knowledge from reading a book about guns, shooting and what's an appropriate cartridge, Boddington's book on the "American Hunting Rifle" is as good as it gets. I've read O'Connor (love him!) and Keith (like him as well), but if you want to hear from a man that's killed lots of game and simply pulls from those experiences, then you need to read Boddington!!

For the record, Boddington has killed way more than TWICE the combined bag of both O'Connor and Keith!!
 

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and he's not recoil sensitive either. I grew up shooting heavy shotguns for ducks and geese and never complained too much. Those Weatherby rifles though test even my endurance. I know the 325 win is about all this guy is going to stand anymore. 12ga 3-1/2" heavy goose loads are a load on the shoulder, maybe that's why I didn't complain when the son took it down Southern Ohio to school with him. The neck and shoulder problems do get agrivated following a day at the range.
 

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When I had my 444 I didn't think the recoil was all that bad. The 270 weatherby mag seems a lot worse to me. After 7-9 shots I start thinking about the next shot which says it's time to go home!
 

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Boddington is someone who would know recoil

Sorry I didn't do a very accurate spelling of his name on a previous post but the man is truely an expert on African hunting and what I call the serious calibers. I do wonder how he seems so immune to recoil from the cannons that he writes about. I have never shot one of the heavy double rifles that are often in his articles. They are suppose to make 3inch slug guns appear tame. I know the General does like magnums such as the 7mm and 8mm. He will even on occasion shoot normal stuff that I can actually afford...

Karl
 
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