[johnnyf]

Hello folks,

I'm new here. I've been hunting for years (rifle & archery) but am planning on buying a muzzleloader later this year.

Who is making the absolutely best muzzleloaders? Quality, reliability, accuracy, optics, etc.?

Thanks for any help,

John

 

[Guest]

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[Hunting Man]

I don't know anything about Savage ML's so I can't comment on those. I do have several TC's and can attest to their excellent quality. I just purchased a Knight based upon their track record, and like ronn I rate the old CVA rifles very low. Traditions make reliable muzzleloaders and most likely the new CVA's are fine. I highly rate TC rifles as near the top!

 

[Guest]

thats like asking what color is prettier, red blue or green.

i have a t/c renegade in 54 i've had for years never a lick of problem. i have a old cva inline that i dislike very much but i understand cva is better now. i shoot a savage inline when i do use a front stuffer. i like the savage the most because its the only ml that you can use smokeless powder in making it way faster and flatter shooting than black powder guns.

so to be more direct. my choice would be a savage but you can't really go wrong with a t/c.

welcome to the club

I've heard good things about the T/C muzzloaders. I can remember a tv commercial a couple of years ago showing some sort of T/C muzzleloader with a bullet compensation/drop scope. It was based upon a "propriety" bullet weight/load that was very accurate with the optics system. I want to say it was their Encore model w/ a Nikon scope but I'm not sure. Can anyone help me out with this one?

 

[frontiergander]

i own the entire 2010 line up from CVA and they are excellent rifles.

They shoot both full bore projectiles and sabots extremely well. Smooth crisp triggers, light weight and most importantly Accurate.

Dpms firearms, panther arms, dpms panther arms, dpms, dpms firearms, dpms guns has the new cva optima for $225 and some change and the blue black Wolf for only $167. We have 2 of the new wolfs and 1 to 1 1/2" groups @ 100 yards are normal.

Cabelas has a great deal on the CVA Accura for $200 with blue barrel and black stock. The Accura easily has the best trigger on the CVA Line up. Mine is around 2lbs with no grit or creep.

 

[BruceBruce1959]

Greetings johnnyf, Welcome to the Club..

You can search all day long but you won't find another Muzzleloader that offers as many features that the Traditions Vortek offers.

YouTube - ‪Traditions Vortek prev3‬‎ <--Traditions Vortek video Ad


VORTEK FEATURES
Accelerator Breech Plug
Quick Release of Drop Out Trigger assembly for easy cleaning and maintence
Egronomic Alloy Frame is lighter weight and helps prevent rust
1:28" twist rifling
Stainless Steel barrels for added rust protection
209 shotgun primer ignition
PAS- Projectile Alignment System easy loading and more consistent groups
Fast action release button
Quick Relief Recoil Pad
Over-travel hammer
Over-molded stock and forend
Thumbhole stocks available
WilliamsTM metal fiber optic sights
Drilled & tapped for scope
Sling swivel studs
Solid aluminum ramrod
Soft Touch camouflage stocks
360 Degree Barrel Porting reduces muzzle jump
Extended ambidextrous hammer spur.


The all new Traditions Vortek is the most technologically advanced platform to enter the muzzleloading playing field. Traditions engineers and designers did not hold back on this one!
The ultimate muzzleloading platform with technology being the foundation for it's creation.

Five Core Technologies:

*Advanced metal coating on Vortek Frame- Impervious to rust or corrosion and extremely durable.

*True Stainless Steel Fluted Barrel with Porting- Improved corrosion resistant exterior as well as the inside of the bore, dampening barrel porting technology.

*Drop Out Trigger- Quickly remove trigger assembly for easy access for cleaning.

*Accelerator Breech Plug- Award winning quick release breech plug can be removed with your fingertips. No more breech plug removal wrenches!

*Hogue™ Overmolded Stocks with Rubber Soft Touch- Unsurpassed feel and grip.

When you stack it all up feature for feature, there is no other muzzleloading platform that offers you more value and performance. PERIOD!

Good Luck with whichever Muzzleloader you decide on.

 

[Hunting Man]

TC TC TC TC once you try them you'll never go back :no::wink:

 

[BruceBruce1959]

TC TC TC TC once you try them you'll never go back :no::wink:

TC is now owned by S&W (Smith & Wesson)
I wonder if that means at one point TC was failing and S&W stepped in to recover the company?
S&W never manufactured muzzleloaders, I think these are important things to consider when thinking about purchasing a TC muzzleloader.

 

[daddus1]

TC Encore system is pretty hard to beat for top end equipment. The one great advantage TC has is that you can have the same trigger pull for your muzzleloader,rifle,slug gun or pistol. anywhere from 2.5 lbs and up
daddus1
Plus it gives you multiple excuses to get new barrels and stocks

 

[frontiergander]

if you never ever have to shoot conicals, tc would be fine.

Accura V2,
YouTube - ‪CVA ACCURA V2‬‎

 

[Hunting Man]

BB and I have had this discussion several times in the past, and he will never admit TC products are great. I would purchase a TC product over any thing out there in a standard production ML rifle, period! Tradition and CVA started out selling very poor quality low end rifles, however, and you heard it from me, both have vastly improved their line of ML products and are of good/high quality today. I wouldn't be afraid of SW ownership, they have been around far longer than CVA or Tradition firearms combined. :boxing:

 

[Guest]

:lol:

BB and I have had this discussion several times in the past, and he will never admit TC products are great. I would purchase a TC product over any thing out there in a standard production ML rifle, period! Tradition and CVA started out selling very poor quality low end rifles, however, and you heard it from me, both have vastly improved their line of ML products and are of good/high quality today. I wouldn't be afraid of SW ownership, they have been around far longer than CVA or Tradition firearms combined. :boxing:

 

[frontiergander]

CVA today is nothing BUT Quality!

Take a look at the Encore problems, hinge pins, lock up springs, rough bores, bores so tight that they need lapping, and then this one goes for TC's line up right now, Barrels that are limited to one projectie by the company! Forget conicals, TC will tell you flat out that they can only shoot sabots. Its crazy when you see someone that just bought an encore style rifle from TC and are asking how to lighten its trigger pull!

 

[Guest]

CVA today is nothing BUT Quality!

Take a look at the Encore problems, hinge pins, lock up springs, rough bores, bores so tight that they need lapping, and then this one goes for TC's line up right now, Barrels that are limited to one projectie by the company! Forget conicals, TC will tell you flat out that they can only shoot sabots. Its crazy when you see someone that just bought an encore style rifle from TC and are asking how to lighten its trigger pull!

i'll hand you a cva, mine, and you tell me if its quailty. i use it to stir paint and it ain't much good for that. once bit twice shy.

 

[frontiergander]

i'll tell you the same thing that ive told others online for years. You dont like your cva? Send it to me then

* no one has taken me up on that offer :thumbdown:*

My new found love is the new Optima. Sweet Thor shootin machine and only $225 + s/h

Top of the line though is the Apex. 30-06 mounted here but this fall it will wear the 50cal muzzy barrel. Sweet shooting rifle with both barrels. Scary what the muzzleloader barrel does!

So how about it? Can i have that paint stirrin cva?

 

[Guest]

pm me with your address and if it doesn't cost to much to ship, 20ish, its yours. but you'll be sorrrrrry. grin

i almost gave it to a guy i know but i don't dislike him that much. swear to God thats the truth.

 

[Hunting Man]

Having owned at least 6 TC rifles and currently have 3, I've never encountered any problems like you are describing! If I do my part my TC in-line rifles will do 1" @ 100yds, hopefully the problem with the encore is an isolated one. I wouldn't want to shoot a conical out of a fast rifled bore ie 1-28" as today's saboted bullets are in most cases far superior in performance to any conical bullet. Most conicals as I remember required a slightly slower rifle twist?? I will say my triumph is a tight barrel, but I'll take that over a loose one everyday. I do get some credit for quality comparisons as currently on hand I have a CVA mountain rifle, some kind of Traditions in-line, a Knight disk extreme, and owned more than 15 ml rifles over the years. As we have said here many times, everyone gets an opinion to share even if it means we disagree. Heck, even the moderators don't see eye to eye everytime :wink:

 

[Hunting Man]

Just remember to clean the bore after every color change :w00t:

 

[frontiergander]

Ah man, the Mountain Rifle. Had many of those over the years. Like a nut i sold a .58cal big bore mountain rifle that had the curly maple stock.

This was a deer creek northwest rifle .45cal. Its basically a cva mountain rifle only deer creek when they bought all the parts from cva, changed the trigger guard.

80gr 3f T7 and a 225 aerotip powerbelt really left a big bleeding hole!

 

[Hunting Man]

yup looks like a mountain rifle, mine is a flint model in 50 cal. Thats a big hole!