Marijuana

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Predator

Discussion Starter · Aug 18, 2010 (Edited)

I was going to post on the pain thread but decided this would get too far off topic. even though that's where it seems to be going.

well, I'll come out and say it then.

I think they should legalize and control marijuana. and then they should introduce it a legal Ag crop. Marijuana is the next soybean. and the United States, only because of its ignorance to the real facts and out dated policies is going to be left on the sideline while 3rd world countries are embracing the technological uses of the cannabis plant.

Its no worse in any way than alcohol which has been legal since the end of prohibition. Alcohol directly and indirectly kills how many every year?

regarding the latest findings on cannabis usage among youth, well 1st off , youths shouldn't be using a controlled substance just as they shouldn't be consuming alcohol. so that argument is not even worth arguing.
secondly, you shouldn't believe everything you read no matter who publishes it.

And regarding anyone hunting in the same general area you are in while being stoned on pot. well, they probably already are, and you didn't even know it.

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Buckshot

· #2 · Aug 18, 2010

It seems pretty clear to me that making pot ilegal has had no effect on it's widespread use. It has made criminals out of people that wouldn't be criminals otherwise and introduced a substantial under ground economy. How much money has been spent chasing, prosecuting and incarcerating pot smokers?

I don't smoke it and wouldn't if it was legal but it seems like an awfull waste of money to try to stop it with nothing to show for it. This notion that it is a "gateway drug" is [email protected]#$.

spiker

· #3 · Aug 18, 2010

:surprised:here we go again

BruceBruce1959

· #4 · Aug 18, 2010 (Edited)

the Courts have been hearing the same ole things time after time after time, Criminals say things like,

"I didn't know what I was doing because I smoked a little pot earlier and was pretty high at the time i did it"
"Your Honor, I got high just before I committed the crime"
"we were smoking pot and not in our right minds"

That's why police enforce the laws and that's why pot is illegal.
If you want to see more people being run down and killed by drivers high on pot, legalize it.
If you want to hear about more women and children being victimized, legalize it.
If you don't mind having your homes robbed, cars stolen being held up at gun-point, legalize it.

pedophiles high on pot?
sex offenders high on pot?
murderers high on pot?
wife beaters high on pot?
hunters high on pot?
Airplane Pilots high on pot?
American Soldiers high on pot?
Americas President high on pot?
Congress high on pot?

come on are you serious, those are some good thoughts right there aren't they? :wallbash::wallbash:

If you legalize pot you are going to see a major increase in the U.S. Crime index.
it's all common sense really, if there were no drunk drivers on the roads there'd be a huge decrease in the U.S. crimes index.

only the users and ill informed will support legalizing pot, the rest of the people understand how harmful pot is to a society.
Good day

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spiker

· #5 · Aug 18, 2010

i disagree

bruce congress and the president are high on pot:w00t:

BruceBruce1959

· #6 · Aug 18, 2010

spiker said:
bruce congress and the president are high on pot:w00t:

I agree and look at the mess were in! :crazy:

Buckshot

· #7 · Aug 18, 2010

Come on Bruce you surely don't believe all that, the fact is if it were legal there would not be any difference in behavior than before. Just becuase cigaretes are legal not everybody smokes them, just like not everybody drinks alcohol.

If someone wants to smoke pot they can find it everywhere now just because it's legal doesn't mean there will be more people smoking it. So it's a real strech that there would be an increase in crime as a result.

To me there's no difference in someone drinking themselves into oblivion or getting stoned into the next universe as long as they keep me out of it, it's none of my business.

G

· #8 · Aug 18, 2010 (Edited)

been thinking on this all day and how to address it. i don't use pot but have good friends that do as recreational and a know some people that use habitually.

"I think they should legalize and control marijuana. and then they should introduce it a legal Ag crop. Marijuana is the next soybean. and the United States, only because of its ignorance to the real facts and out dated policies is going to be left on the sideline while 3rd world countries are embracing the technological uses of the cannabis plant." predator

hahaha what are you high or something? you really think the US will become a third world country if pot is not legalized?

if you don't believe pot is a gate way drug then you are high. just as etoh is a gate way drug. seen this first hand in my own family so there is no telling me it isn't. and the end result is another leach sucking an existance out of everyone that is out there busting their hump to get by.

the thinking that the law against pot is causing a illicit economy is backwards thinking. its not the law causing jack. its the law breakers causing it.

now for the record if the pop wants it legalized, so be it. but that won't stop these drug dealers they will still side step the new laws regulating pot. i don't use it and i guarantee you i won't be knowingly hiring these users to work for me. which if pot is legalized would probably become a crime itself.

there is nothing good coming from pot, not one thing. and i am willing to bet that most of these slugs sucking the life out of society that can't hold down a job so the go on unemployment, welfare, disability, or whatever are probably pot smokers. there should be a law that before you can get that unemployment check or welfare check you need to take and pass a piss test. granted there are plenty of functioning pot smokers but there are way more that are leaching off everyone else.

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Southern Man

· #9 · Aug 18, 2010

ronn said:
and the end result is another leach sucking an existance out of everyone that is out there busting their hump to get by.

the thinking that the law against pot is causing a illicit economy is backwards thinking. its not the law causing jack. its the law breakers causing it.

now for the record if the pop wants it legalized, so be it. but that won't stop these drug dealers they will still side step the new laws regulating pot. i don't use it and i guarantee you i won't be knowingly hiring these users to work for me. which if pot is legalized would probably become a crime itself.

there is nothing good coming from pot, not one thing. and i am willing to bet that most of these slugs sucking the life out of society that can't hold down a job so the go on unemployment, welfare, disability, or whatever are probably pot smokers. there should be a law that before you can get that unemployment check or welfare check you need to take and pass a piss test. granted there are plenty of functioning pot smokers but there are where more that are leaching off everyone else.

Amen Brother!!!

I'm sorry but I can no longer fly by the motto "Live and Let Live" Somebody has got to start saying no.

BruceBruce1959

· #10 · Aug 18, 2010

Buckshot said:
Come on Bruce you surely don't believe all that, the fact is if it were legal there would not be any difference in behavior than before. Just becuase cigaretes are legal not everybody smokes them, just like not everybody drinks alcohol.

If someone wants to smoke pot they can find it everywhere now just because it's legal doesn't mean there will be more people smoking it. So it's a real strech that there would be an increase in crime as a result.

To me there's no difference in someone drinking themselves into oblivion or getting stoned into the next universe as long as they keep me out of it, it's none of my business.

OK buckshot you dont have to take my word for it, read the facts for yourself. NIDA (Natnl. Institute on Drug Abuse) InfoFacts: Marijuana<--click there

spiker

· #11 · Aug 18, 2010

off topic but

not only a piss test for welfare but if u aint crippled you work for it,and until you find a real job and can support your own kids you dont have anymore while on welfare.tired of seeing a person with 12 kids just waiting on a check.imagine if our past generations were as lazy as this one,its cool today for a kid to wear his hat sideways and smoke weed all day.well breathe a sigh of relief if that becomes my daughter in the future ill get er the help she needs.MY FOOT IN ER ASS.,

Buckshot

· #12 · Aug 18, 2010

OK Bruce I read the article and not once did it mention crime. As a matter of fact it really didn't say it had any negative consequences with any certainty.

I agree with the notion anyone on the government handouts in any way should be drug screened. If you can afford to buy cigarettes, beer or dope you can afford to support yourself.

We drug screen at work and I'm glad for it. I wouldn't want to work with a bunch of dopers. But that doesn't change my view that what people do to themselves is none of my business.

G

· #13 · Aug 18, 2010

Buckshot said:
OK Bruce I read the article and not once did it mention crime. As a matter of fact it really didn't say it had any negative consequences with any certainty.

I agree with the notion anyone on the government handouts in any way should be drug screened. If you can afford to buy cigarettes, beer or dope you can afford to support yourself.

We drug screen at work and I'm glad for it. I wouldn't want to work with a bunch of dopers. But that doesn't change my view that what people do to themselves is none of my business.

buckshot i agree with a lot of what you are saying. lord knows how many people on the roads just burned a rope or many hunters sitting on a stump out in the middle of nowhere just torched a fatty, probably more than we care to know.

where i do disagree is to the cost to all of us drug users/abusers force on those of us busting hump to make a living and raise our children with a sense of right and wrong. these kids/people with zero ambition, partly do to drugs, to be anywhere near a productive member of society just hang out, drink, smoke dope, make babies, and live off welfare moms and wic. thats a huge cost and legalizing pot won't change that.

Hunting Man

· #14 · Aug 18, 2010

This is really a tough one for me. I lost my brother to a combined alcohol/pot mix, my Dad to cigarettes so I probably wish all three were illegal. I'm not for legalizing pot nor do I like drunk drivers, however, I'm really against the federal government controlling everything in our lives. So maybe turn it over to the State voters and them them decide it. I have a really good friend/great hunter that knows his sht in the outdoors and smokes his pot, he will always be a good friend but that doesn't mean that I endorse it. I believe that commercialization of pot would bring giant profits to a big business, I just don't think it would be a good thing. This is not a black/white issue and I'm not talking race here, all the other stuff that is involved with any drug gets out of control and misused by some/many maybe? I don't really know what would happen if pot was legal? It's everywhere right now so what difference would it make? If if makes more demoncratic, well wisher, free money, baby boomers then no way!

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G

· #15 · Aug 18, 2010

Hunting Man said:
This is really a tough one for me. I lost my brother to a combined alcohol/pot mix, my Dad to cigarettes so I probably wish all three were illegal. I'm not for legalizing pot nor do I like drunk drivers, however, I'm really against the federal government controlling everything in our lives. So maybe turn it over to the State voters and them them decide it. I have a really good friend/great hunter that knows his sht in the outdoors and smokes his pot, he will always be a good friend but that doesn't mean that I endorse it. I believe that commercialization of pot would bring giant profits to a big business, I just don't think it would be a good thing. This is not a black/white issue and I'm not talking race here, all the other stuff that is involved with any drug gets out of control and misused by some/many maybe? I don't really know what would happen if pot was legal? It's everywhere right now so what difference would it make? If if makes more demoncratic, well wisher, free money, baby boomers then no way!

i hear ya. like i said some of my best friends, people i really enjoy spending time with, smoke pot but these are the functioning users but i believe there are way more non functioning users.

BruceBruce1959

· #16 · Aug 18, 2010

Buckshot said:
OK Bruce I read the article and not once did it mention crime. As a matter of fact it really didn't say it had any negative consequences with any certainty.

I agree with the notion anyone on the government handouts in any way should be drug screened. If you can afford to buy cigarettes, beer or dope you can afford to support yourself.

We drug screen at work and I'm glad for it. I wouldn't want to work with a bunch of dopers. But that doesn't change my view that what people do to themselves is none of my business.

OH sorry Buckshot, I have a lot of links on the subject because in the past, I did some personal investigating to educate my ownself on the subject.
Here's a link from the U.S. DEA (Drug enforcement Agency) on Drug crimes and how Crime, Violence, and Drug Use Go Hand-In-Hand.

delbert

· #17 · Aug 19, 2010

I think they should legalize it
And stop putting ever kid with a roach in the jail and ruin their lives with a criminal record..... all we do is pay there room and board
People grow out of it and can go on to live a normal life

Predator

Discussion Starter · #18 · Aug 19, 2010

"hahaha what are you high or something? you really think the US will become a third world country if pot is not legalized?"

Wow, did I say that?

Dont think so, read again!!!

I knew there would be very divided veiws when I decided to post this, but dont put words in my mouth.

Predator

Discussion Starter · #19 · Aug 19, 2010

Buckshot said:
It seems pretty clear to me that making pot ilegal has had no effect on it's widespread use. It has made criminals out of people that wouldn't be criminals otherwise and introduced a substantial under ground economy. How much money has been spent chasing, prosecuting and incarcerating pot smokers?

I don't smoke it and wouldn't if it was legal but it seems like an awfull waste of money to try to stop it with nothing to show for it. This notion that it is a "gateway drug" is [email protected]#$.

Absolutely!!

all you have to do is look at what happened to alcohol in the "20s" and then what happened after prohibition was lifted. our governmental resources could be much better used in more serious areas. like defending our borders from terrorist and policeing the banking systems or our polititions.

Predator

Discussion Starter · #20 · Aug 19, 2010 (Edited)

"the Courts have been hearing the same ole things time after time after time, Criminals say things like,

"I didn't know what I was doing because I smoked a little pot earlier and was pretty high at the time i did it"
"Your Honor, I got high just before I committed the crime"
"we were smoking pot and not in our right minds""
What court, what judge, where?

"That's why police enforce the laws and that's why pot is illegal." Most cops I have discused this with would much rather spend their time persuing more serious crimes.
"If you want to see more people being run down and killed by drivers high on pot, legalize it." typical scare tactic
"If you want to hear about more women and children being victimized, legalize it." typical scare tactic
"If you don't mind having your homes robbed, cars stolen being held up at gun-point, legalize it." typical scare tactic

"If you legalize pot you are going to see a major increase in the U.S. Crime index." Just the opposite, you will see a drop because there will be 20,000,000 less criminals
"it's all common sense really, if there were no drunk drivers on the roads there'd be a huge decrease in the U.S. crimes index." Wow, maybe we could solve the alcohol problem by making it illegal. hmmm, maybe not. seems making things illegal is what causes the problems.

"only the users and ill informed will support legalizing pot, the rest of the people understand how harmful pot is to a society."

This is the kind of misinformation the government has been shoving down everyones throat for years, and the well informed and inteligent have woken up and realized the lies.

And since there are seamingly more and more links being added for our reading enjoyment, I did a little searching and found one that can counter almost anything the other links lay claim to. enjoy Marijuana Law Reform - NORML

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