[Guest]

well said huntr-. thats why we need to stick together and not throw other hunters, legally pursuing their game of choice with weapon of choice, under the bus just because they don't hunt the same way. what my article "who's ruining hunting" was all about.

 

[Guest]

thats leads to another argument that hunting is a privilege. hunters in sc and la can deer hunt with dogs. why do they have the right to do so and we in nh do not? do we have less rights? answer because its not a right its a privilege afforded them by other hunters in that state. just saying.

also i had another thought about huntr- post which was very good, i thought. we, and that means everyone in the country, do put our rights in the hands of others, by election. this is why we need to vote and think very carefully and vet the candidate for ourselves before checking the box. if the wrong person gets in by being a "good candidate" without understanding what they are all about we risk loosing our rights and whats left of the Constitution.

 

[huntr-]

I vote for ronn for president , do I get a second? If we can put a condo (AKA SPACE STATION) into space with americans and russians and all returned alive , then we can surely get you into office. I volunteer to do hunting promo's for you promoting gun rights.

 

[hunt NH]

we obveasly do need to understand who we are voting for. i feel you may be preaching to the chior. i dont get sucked into good campaining. i vote for my beliefs. as for seconding the Ronn for pres, his beilevfs of the 2nd admnt certanly merror mine. so ill second it.

 

[Predator]

caution to the wind, wake up call, whatever you want to call it.


"02-11-2010 02:49 PM ronn you guys are missing my point, i guess, or i'm not making myself clear. the gov't isn't the one taking your privilege away. its the law abiding hunters that is taking it away. if someone poaches a deer, hunters want them to lose their privilege to hunt. is this not correct? depends. too many variable to consider.
the tool we, the public and hunters, use to accomplish this is through the laws we get passed by those we elect. so its a privilege afforded you not by the gov't but by other hunters and they/we are the only ones that can take that privilege away."

I do not agree with this at all. first, it is not a privilege. second, this all sounds great in the world of rosy colored glasses, but in reality it just don't work that way. in a room of 10 people where 7 are idiots how does the the rights of the good and fair get to be law. and don't forget above the 10 in the room there are the pocket padded lobbyist toting politicians whose only concern in most cases is having the same job forever.

"02-11-2010 02:16 PM hunt NH back to topic hunting and fishing is a god given right. under extreem circumstances rights can be taken away. look at the second admendment. you have the right to keep and bear arms, but if you are a convicted fellon that you can not have a gun. just because you can loose it due to being stupid dont mean that its not my right. i will defend my right to keep and bear arms to the death, and wont commit a felony so that right can not be taken from me. lets all stop calling things privalages just because our over grown Govt. can take it away."

what if tomorrow, all misdemeanor crimes are elevated to felony status?

 

[Guest]

"depends. too many variable to consider"

there is no depends. there is right and wrong. if tomorrow i went out and shot a deer i would expect to lose my privilege to hunt. and those that think it is ok for me to do have no respect for law abiding hunters, the deer, or the rule of law set down in a process stated in the state's and federal Constitution. now if anarchy were the rules all bets are off.

just my opinion

and just because the system is flawed or somewhat, thats darn near laughable if it weren't so scary, corrupt doesn't mean we ignore it. its what we live by. we do our best to change it. if it needs changing and if you are on the side that is voted down or you just think the majority are wrong and do whatever you want anyway, you do so at your own peril. (and by you I mean anyone not you airbourne)

here is a question, whose deer are they? who owns them? we the people, all of us. not the landowner, not the gov'. so as hunters we are beholding, like it or not, to each other for the privilege to hunt and shoot that deer. I know some people thing they are on my land that makes them mine. not true. if those deer on my land were mine i would be able to set the season and my neighbor could set a different season and so on.

just as we give the power to the gov' to maintain our safety from foreign armies and to make sure criminals are put away, the poor are not left to rot, so to we give the power to regulate hunting. now in theory these are things/powers we are suppose to be able to take away from gov, which by the way is the much needed way things look to be headed, its up to us, all of us, in the end, the individual to determine what is best and majority rules that democracy.

now it can be call a right or it can be called a privilege, its a mater of semantics, but either way we cannot be allowed to each chose when or what will be hunted because in the end the animals belong to all of us.

 

[Predator]

lets play devils advocate here,

you are involved in and survive a small plane crash in the middle of the rocky mountain range and the pilot deviated or did not file or follow a flight plan, there is no signal beakon on board that you can determine, it is the middle of or late summer. not hunting season by any means. there is limited water but no food on board. you have the ability and the capability to harvest deer as you have your bow with you. you have no valid license and no tags as it is out of season. you face certain starvation unless you obtain food. do you feel you should be charged as a poacher after being rescued?

This is a variable

it is in this variable that my right supersedes the game laws

 

[Predator]

what if tomorrow, all misdemeanor crimes are elevated to felony status?

Some years back here in the state of Illinois, a man ran for the office of Governor of the state. when asked about the state residents gun rights he said he would not change anything. shortly after his election win he attempted to raise the fee for the states FOID from $10.00 to $500.00 in an add on amendment to a bill that needed to get through. anyone not coughing up the additional $490.00 would be in violation of the states gun law.

What if it was $5000.00 and it got through?

it is just that simple for you to from one day to the next go from compliance to noncompliance of a law.

the above is paraphrased for the sake of getting the message accross but the outcome is basically consistent with what actually happened.

 

[hunt NH]

lets play devils advocate here,

you are involved in and survive a small plane crash in the middle of the rocky mountain range and the pilot deviated or did not file or follow a flight plan, there is no signal beakon on board that you can determine, it is the middle of or late summer. not hunting season by any means. there is limited water but no food on board. you have the ability and the capability to harvest deer as you have your bow with you. you have no valid license and no tags as it is out of season. you face certain starvation unless you obtain food. do you feel you should be charged as a poacher after being rescued?

This is a variable

it is in this variable that my right supersedes the game laws

examples like this are exactly why i call it a right. in this instance you can bet that any one would harvist the deer. but i also agree with Ronn as far as normal every day cases you dont break the law or you loose your privalage to have a hunting licence.

 

[hunt NH]

what if tomorrow, all misdemeanor crimes are elevated to felony status?

i would count that as a direct attack on the second admendment. if they used this to try to take away our constitutional rights than they would be an enimy of the constitution. and we know who swears othes to the constitiution, and who they will defend it from.

 

[Predator]

examples like this are exactly why i call it a right. in this instance you can bet that any one would harvist the deer. but i also agree with Ronn as far as normal every day cases you dont break the law or you loose your privalage to have a hunting licence.

Yes, In the normal everyday situations, I agree poachers should be punished and not have the ability to obtain a hunting license. But even they in certain given situations still have a right to harvest game for survival.