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Its a God given right.
in the most basic needs of life, you can survive without driving, so hence driving is a privledge.
hunting and fishing on the other hand such as gathering is the most basic of God given rights to survive. we only allow the state and federal governments to provide for licensing to maintain some form of game management and greed management.

 

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We must be careful what we call a right or a privledge and what we allow the federal, state and local governments to call a right or a privledge. after all a right can be renamed a privledge and thereby taxed, licensed, controled to no means and even revolked. hunting is a right that man has had since the garden of eden when God gave to him and Eve the skin of an animal to cloth themselve with. We allow our state and federal governments the privledge to require a license fee to be paid in order to legaly hunt in a given state. from those license fees we assumne that the game numbers will be managed and the welfare of the states game animals will be monitored and controlled. I do not advocate hunting or fishing without a license, but I refuse to consider it a privledge and I reserve the right to absolve the licesing requirements in the event of something catastrophic such as a high level enviromental disaster of another great depression.

 

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What I was looking for was the acknowledgement that what we believe are our rights are only true as long as the majority of the people say it is.

Actually, anything you deem to be your rights, are your rights regardless of what the majority thinks or believes. It all depends on how much you are willing to defend what you believe.


Some would argue that the 2nd amendment is not a right of the people, which is really irrelevant as long as someone is willing to stand up and claim it as a right and defend it.

 

[Predator]

Rights are granted by the constitution and bill of rights. If it ain’t there it is a privilege.

I disagree!!

These are just defined rights, not all of them. These are only rights afforded by the government, which in most all cases proves inadequate.

 

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caution to the wind, wake up call, whatever you want to call it.


"02-11-2010 02:49 PM ronn you guys are missing my point, i guess, or i'm not making myself clear. the gov't isn't the one taking your privilege away. its the law abiding hunters that is taking it away. if someone poaches a deer, hunters want them to lose their privilege to hunt. is this not correct? depends. too many variable to consider.
the tool we, the public and hunters, use to accomplish this is through the laws we get passed by those we elect. so its a privilege afforded you not by the gov't but by other hunters and they/we are the only ones that can take that privilege away."

I do not agree with this at all. first, it is not a privilege. second, this all sounds great in the world of rosy colored glasses, but in reality it just don't work that way. in a room of 10 people where 7 are idiots how does the the rights of the good and fair get to be law. and don't forget above the 10 in the room there are the pocket padded lobbyist toting politicians whose only concern in most cases is having the same job forever.

"02-11-2010 02:16 PM hunt NH back to topic hunting and fishing is a god given right. under extreem circumstances rights can be taken away. look at the second admendment. you have the right to keep and bear arms, but if you are a convicted fellon that you can not have a gun. just because you can loose it due to being stupid dont mean that its not my right. i will defend my right to keep and bear arms to the death, and wont commit a felony so that right can not be taken from me. lets all stop calling things privalages just because our over grown Govt. can take it away."

what if tomorrow, all misdemeanor crimes are elevated to felony status?

 

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lets play devils advocate here,

you are involved in and survive a small plane crash in the middle of the rocky mountain range and the pilot deviated or did not file or follow a flight plan, there is no signal beakon on board that you can determine, it is the middle of or late summer. not hunting season by any means. there is limited water but no food on board. you have the ability and the capability to harvest deer as you have your bow with you. you have no valid license and no tags as it is out of season. you face certain starvation unless you obtain food. do you feel you should be charged as a poacher after being rescued?

This is a variable

it is in this variable that my right supersedes the game laws

 

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what if tomorrow, all misdemeanor crimes are elevated to felony status?

Some years back here in the state of Illinois, a man ran for the office of Governor of the state. when asked about the state residents gun rights he said he would not change anything. shortly after his election win he attempted to raise the fee for the states FOID from $10.00 to $500.00 in an add on amendment to a bill that needed to get through. anyone not coughing up the additional $490.00 would be in violation of the states gun law.

What if it was $5000.00 and it got through?

it is just that simple for you to from one day to the next go from compliance to noncompliance of a law.

the above is paraphrased for the sake of getting the message accross but the outcome is basically consistent with what actually happened.

 

[Predator]

examples like this are exactly why i call it a right. in this instance you can bet that any one would harvist the deer. but i also agree with Ronn as far as normal every day cases you dont break the law or you loose your privalage to have a hunting licence.

Yes, In the normal everyday situations, I agree poachers should be punished and not have the ability to obtain a hunting license. But even they in certain given situations still have a right to harvest game for survival.