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Connell vs. Highland (Washington)

Watching this makes me sick. If that boy did all this to my son, there'd be a video on the internet with an angry dad coming and taking care of business. This boy should've been ejected. Absolutely NO room for this in HS sports. Obviously he finds it funny being 300 pounds and throwing other teenagers to the floor. If you watch closely, he smiles and smirks after each one.
In my opinion, the coaches (YES ALL OF THEM ON THAT TEAM) should be fired that very next day. Teaching job and coaching. SEE YA. Those two boys doing this, should be suspended from playing ANY sports in the state of Washington for 365days. AND- they should get the doctor bills sent to them from the kids who they more than likely hurt and they should have to do community work for 100+ hours to pay for it.

 

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One thing about bullies like that . . . . . . eventually they will run into someone who is bigger and badder than they are. Really enjoy reading about bullies who end up getting their due . . .

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I would have call all the parents, people in the stands to take the court and not left till the refs threw the bums out. I have no patience for that!!! :no: Could have called the police for assult, show them the recorded video.
 

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IMO only two of those were flagrants, but they were so flagrant he should have been ejected, thrown off the team and suspended. The kid has no basketball skills whatsoever. He had to be put there by virtue of size and intimidation factor

Now for the coach- why is he even coaching?
 

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I saw this yesterday also and the most shocking thing about the whole deal is that supposed ADULTS just watched this continue over and over. And yeah, that big retarded squid kept laughing and smirking everytime he whacked another kid. He should go play hockey, still the only sport where street fightin' is legal. Except I would bet money he doesn't have enough brain cells to make his feet move while chewing gum at the same time. Don't forget, many lessons are taught and learned in dark parking lots, you never know.
 

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they were so flagrant he should have been ejected, thrown off the team and suspended. The kid has no basketball skills whatsoever. He had to be put there by virtue of size and intimidation factor

Now for the coach- why is he even coaching?
I agree also blame the Ref's why were they not ejected?
 

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The bully teams coach should be tossed out along with the players

So a slap on the wrist ehh? I disagree. FIRED. How stupid do you have to be to leave two kids like this in a game? First off, I'm a basketball coach, and it takes no dummy to realize these kids were OBVIOUSLY told to act this way. Intimidate/be physical towards the other team. There are many coaches I coach against that have the morals of the devil. They'll win at any cost... and I do mean ANY cost. Those two boys should not be permitted to play in ANY athletic contest or practice for 365days. They both also should be charged with assault. Now what would be really funny (FUNNY ENOUGH TO SLAP THE SMIRK OFF THAT ONE KID'S FACE) is if either of them is 18 and any of the boys "attacked" was under 18.
 

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IMO only two of those were flagrants, but they were so flagrant he should have been ejected, thrown off the team and suspended. The kid has no basketball skills whatsoever. He had to be put there by virtue of size and intimidation factor

2011-2012 NFHS Basketball Rules Book
Rule 4-19-4, Pg 31
A flagrant foul may be a personal foul or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. Fighting is a flagrant foul.

Foul #1: this is a flagrant foul because he STRIKES the other player. He physically lowers his arm with intent to harm the player he's opposing.

Foul #2: this is a flagrant foul because if you watch closely he uses his lower body to push him out of bounds as well as try to strip the ball from him. This is probably the one that could go both ways. The ONLY one.

Foul #3: this is flagrant because if you watch closely, he uses his arm in a downward motion with the intent to harm. Seriously, does he think he's going to block a shot standing on the floor? If I'm the ref, it's a no brainer.

Foul #4: this is flagrant because the kid places both his hand in the middle of his opposition's back and shoves him forward. This is not football, this is basketball. There is no where that it says one player can PUSH to the ground another. Flagrant.

Foul #5: This one to me is the worst. This jerk has already gotten away with 2 of these "hard fouls" so he's thinking "WHY THE HECK NOT". He has NO intent of playing defense, and NO intent of trying to go for the ball. His intent is to harm here. NO if's and's or but's. He closelines the kid for heaven's sake.

Foul #6: This is one that could possibly go either way. After watching this closely, his own teammate may have helped him "fall". BUT, there is still a downward action to the arm of #34. Plus #42 takes his legs out from under him, if you watch closely.


Case and point, this game got out of hand. The refs are obviously ignorant of basketball rules. Maybe the head coach of these two kids is a bully too? who knows.
 

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I'm a young guy and can remember things happening like this when I was in school. The sad part is the big kid is enjoying pushing and hitting the smaller kids....this is a common disease in America that is cured by 1. having a bigger guy beat his ass (dad, brother, etc) or 2. two or three smaller kids beating his ass. The guy is sitting there and smiling, and the coach isn't stopping it along with the refs. I look at this as being robbed or beat in the street...if the cops aren't going to help you, you must protect yourself. I am not saying that he should get shot or anything, but a bully simply needs his ass whipped. Kids/people nowadays (because of internet, school rules, and liberal parents) NEVER have to take responsibilities or consequences of their actions. As I finished up highschool there were new rules that said no matter how many times you got hit, if you hit back you could be expelled.....BS. If someone, like this guy, is hitting people and no one is stopping it. Get two or three bigger guys around and knock a few teeth down his throat. I hate to get so riled up about this, but it is a huge pet peeve of mine
 

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I agree volhunter... this type of crap goes on and kids think now days they don't have to be responsible for it. I don't care if they kid is 15, 16, 17, 18 or WHAT, he has a brain he knows how to use it, and he DID NOT DO IT. Welcome to the real world buddy. Our society has become "all about" 2nd and 3rd chances. Whatever happened to 1 chance? Heck, if I was that kid doing all that stuff in the video, I'd never have played sports the rest of my life. My parents would've forbid it.

What gets me is if you watch it again, look in the background throughout the whole video. There are NO fans standing up or yelling or doing anything. At the end, there's even a guy standing in the doorway and has NO emotion what-so-ever as that #34 throws that kid to the floor... how can you NOT have emotion towards something like that? I don't care if that was "MY TEAM" I was routing for either. How blatantly stupid are these two kids? How stupid is this coach? ANd how stupid are these refs? BTW there was 3 OF THEM.

If my child was one of these boys that got thrown to the ground, we'd be going to the emergency room after the game and getting a full body check out. Then we'd be stopping by my lawyer's office and showing him a video of what just happened and then giving him the bills for to the Dr. for him to serve to this BOY's family. If he's not 18 I'd sue his parents butt for the amount the bills are for. If he is 18, I'd press charges of battery and agrivated assault.

Puke kids need one thing... to be taught a lesson
 

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I would be willing to bet that the coach put that boy to play that position for that reason. What better way to help keep your win record as a coach than to put your big ogar under the basket. This is something often seen in small town sports.
What kid of his size and age wouldn't smile being instructed to knock them smaller kids around like that? Does it make it right heck no !!
Why does the school allow the coach to run a team that way, of corse one realy couldn't prove he was telling the boy to be so rough, but they could still have that boy removed or benched
Why don't the parents say anything ? Are they realy more concered for a win than a kid with a broken bone or other injury ?
 

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Any one of those big hits could have resulted in a serious injury. I would not have sat on my hands and watched. I might have gotten in trouble but something would have taken place. I get more worked up every time I watch it. There is NO room for those kind of actions in HS sports. I once was going to get prosecuted for pushing a ref in the parking lot after a terrible game. He got into my face and I pushed him away. He call the city and filed charges. It went no where after I retained a lawyer and had a witness watched him following me to my truck. So I know a little about these things. Ha Ha
 

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Relax tator.. i didn't want to cuss in front of ya
It reminds me of the bad coach in the karate kid movie
break his leg
The refs should be canned with the rest of em
I know i would of gone down and got in a refs face if my kid was in that game
 

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tator- I agree that all the fouls were intentional but I dont believe all were flagrant. You would have a hard time proving intent. That being said, I dont condone anything that was done by the kid. He was obviously there for intimidation factor. The so called "hold" should have been enough to get him ejected, tossed off the team, suspended and arrested.

The same for the coach and as someone else proposed, the refs.

Please understand we are on the same side on this one. I abhor what that kid was all about.
 

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Tator, being a basketball coach says it all. I was wondering why it upset you so much and you know the game along with the discipline to play it. I know nothing about basketball at all. I do know that in box lacrosse we use the pic thing on offense to setup scoring opps. and our defense usually has a big, monsterlike intimidator to hammer any runners going through the middle. But having a big man like that in basketball just out there to cause mayhem and throw his big butt weight around is uncalled for when I'm pretty sure that basketball does not allow physical contact of that nature. That kid was just a big meatball bully....yeah people like that get on my nerves and I would've probably already scrapped him if I was in school again.
 

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delbert- my apologies... I was not trying to disrespect you or be sarcastic towards you. I let my emotions get the best of me and I "took it out" on you. We all agree with what the right thing was to do in this situation and that would've been to somehow STOP the game from continuing if these actions persisted.
I see and know alot of basketball coaches that are like this. Jerks. I go to clinics, camps, etc... and see them all the time. They care nothing about their families, they care nothing about their teaching jobs, they care nothing about their players, they care about themselves only. They care about their record. They care about winning. These types of people need to get out of basketball. They are no good, and morally they are corrupt. The bad thing is, kids look up to their coaches. Many kids don't have father figures at home. Their coach becomes that figure. Especially at the HS level, so many coaches cuss their kids out and verbally abuse them even to the point where they are emotionally abused. Then they wonder why they don't perform for them? Idoits. It's disgracing to me to see a coach allow something like this to go on. Put it this way, how mad do you all get when you see a video of someone doing something that gives hunters a bad name? or steelworkers a bad name? or factory workers a bad name? Makes your blood boil a little more when it hits close to home.
 

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One thing about bullies like that . . . . . . eventually they will run into someone who is bigger and badder than they are. Really enjoy reading about bullies who end up getting their due . . .

RR

I covered high school and small college ball for many years. I saw some of that. Always...always, somewhere down the road, was a payback and it was usually a dandy. I can recall two instances off handf where the offedning players were ejected and when it happened in suicceeding games, they were suspended for the year in that sport only. Once by the boy's own coach.
 
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