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New to posting so please bear with me. I was wondering when is the best time to use a doe bleat, a grunt, or rattling antlers? I bow hunt, shot gun and muzzle load, and I have had success with all three calls in bow season. It seems like once the rut hits they all go deaf. Any suggestions??
 

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when is the right time to use calls,scents, antlers, anytime they work. :yes:I stay with grunt calls during the heavy rut and like to use antlers pre-rut leading up to the rut. Most times its a hit or miss situation as some deer act like they didn't hear it and others come running in like bulls. Best advice try them and see what works for you in your area. Deer make so many different vocalizations it would take a suitcase of calls to make them all. When you can lay the trap wih natural scrapes and correct scent use good things will literally come to pass....by!:yes:
 

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I'm always too hesitant about calls and such. I just use a little scent and the doe in estrus bleat can. I guess it works ok. But anyways welcome to the club and hope you enjoy it here.
 

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I use calls very little because of all the risk factors. Rattling is only effective at certain times, but when I do rattle it is in an area where I have a good buck to do ratio when the temp is is still low and usually when the sky is fully lit so I can see everything around me and not spook something close. My buddy has called them off the next mountain. I might use buck grunts only when I don't see any deer and I'm totally bored. Once I see a deer I lay the call aside. If the deer gets 80 -90 yards out and doesn't come in any closer, I will try "The Can" to turn the buck. For me good stand location and using scents appropriately is much more effective.
 

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Sight & Sound

I've found that my best tool is a great line of sight from a perfect tree stand. If I can roost where I have a nearly 160 degree sweep, I'll be content to simply sit and slowly move my head from time to time, watching for those dark shapes to silently materialize. I find the old real estate adage: location , location, location is EVERYTHING in hunting any type of game - especially whitetails. You can shake rattle and roll all you want and will not fill your tags if your parking in the wrong spot. Scout well. When you have found that 'perfect spot', feel free to wheel out the scents and sounds. I look at most of them as marketing lures for hunting gear manufacturers. I had a dear friend who, when he saw the deer he wanted to take, he'd just holler "Hey!", the deer would stop, look and be dead before it heard the report of the gun. He also would occasionally smoke a cigar in the stand and even take a dump near the stand. Old Mac never went home without at least one fine deer. Productive and safe hunting!
 

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the best and only time to use calls is when you hear the deer making the sounds naturally, if you hear a fawn bleat, you should try bleat calls if you hear a Buck grunt, give your grunt calls a try etc etc etc...

Personally I think calls should be avoided until you practice, practice, practice, using them to see how deer react to each of your calls.
Whenever I see a deer out in a field (Out of season of course) I grab some calls and begin using them to see how the deer react to each call, you can have a deer out in the middle of a pasture while you sit by the roadside to try your calls. I can tell ya without hesitation Doe's do not like grunt calls in summer months at least that's what I've found here in Vermont and it seems like a Doe just can't ignore a bleat call no matter what time of year.
I've never seen a buck react favorably to calls during off season. They spook easily, as soon as I try using the calls they run off.

Good Luck...
 

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Those are GREAT tips, BB1959! Most of us don't think about trying calls out of season. The last thing you want to do is spook a 10 pointer on opening day. But any other time, its an outdoor classrom and you will become a more skilled hunter. I do the same thing - experiment out of season - with my turkey calls year 'round. You are absolutely correct: you can learn more about deer hunting 'out of season', than during. :goodposting:
 

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The only problem is other than the rut when will you actually hear a buck grunt or a breeding doe bellow(videos)? Calls are tools and if you don't try them you'll never know what if. Does make many sounds and certain sounds only when they are ready to breed. A buck will/may respond to that call if used during the rut, especially secondary bucks that have been pushed around by Mr. Big. Practice makes sense in-order to mimic the correct call, however, you have to try them during the appropriate timeframe to see the deer's reaction. Using calls/rattleing/scents tactics at the wrong time is disaster. Calls, rattleing, scents are all tools for a specific job, just learn to use them at the right time. Here's another take, if you don't have any action happening around you why not create an illusion of a breeding doe or two bucks fighting or a buck grunting pursuing a hot doe. At least you may bring the action to you that otherwise may have passed by. What do you do if Mr Big hangs up just outside your zone and you left your tool bag at home? Leave for the day with nothing or chance drawing his attention for a shot. I'm a gambler, I do my best to outthink them and use whatever tricks it takes to get the job done. It doesn't always work but that's why they call it hunting. I love rut hunting bucks and think in a chess match mentality keeps my mind occupied.
 

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I have sat back and read all of the posts and many have good points. Being a trophy hunter I will tell you that there is not a single buck on my wall that a call did not play a major part in harvesting that animal. My first suggestion is to buy the video by Wood Wise products called Vocal Whitetails. Watch it over and over. It will give you just the starting points of calling after that it is hours spent on stand. Whitetails communicate constantly even if you the hunter never hear them. Whitetails live by their nose and ears. If you learn how to combine these two things to paint a picture in the head of a deer you can sell them on coming in for a visit. Whitetails are highly social animals wanting and needing companionship of other deer. There are many books and videos on this subject but only you spending time in the field doing trail and error can put together all of the different scenarios to make your calling successful. The second part of calling is being able to read whitetail body language. Lastly whitetails are not dogs coming running in to a whistle. Many times they will take their good ole time making their way to your stand. There is far too much to go over here to be of great help. Only time in the woods can truly teach you how to call properly but nothing about calling is 100% fool proof.
 

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I use is a grunt tube quite a bit when I hunt and I don't hesitate to use it. I have a few rules I follow and have been very successful with it.

1) I don't use it when I see deer and they are moving my way.
2) When I use it I generally keep the volume low.
3) A little goes a long way. One short quite grunt can and will be heard by a buck a long way off.
4) Pre rut I use a low rolling grunt
5) Durring the rut I use a tending grunt which is a series of short sharp grunts. Like a buck I saw once who would grunt about every third step while following a doe.
6) After I use the grunt call I watch the woods carefully for a long while, it's amazes me how close a deer can get to you with being seen.

Good luck!
 

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Going to try it!

I found the whitetail DVD that wmi suggested and ordered it - it was only $9.99, so I also ordered the turkey DVD for the same reasonable price. I look forward to 'learning' what wmi's suggestion has to offer. This has been a good thread - I'm not sure what ronn means when he wrote "SPAM!!!!!!!!" a while ago. Its no substitute for venison, but is it is nourishing. :yes:
 
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I found the whitetail DVD that wmi suggested and ordered it - it was only $9.99, so I also ordered the turkey DVD for the same reasonable price. I look forward to 'learning' what wmi's suggestion has to offer. This has been a good thread - I'm not sure what ronn means when he wrote "SPAM!!!!!!!!" a while ago. Its no substitute for venison, but is it is nourishing. :yes:
no its no substitute. hahaha

yeah some guy pushing Viagra or something. just came back to delete the "spam" but someone beat me to it.
 

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There are so many calls a deer uses it will just take time to learn them. Keep in mind you have to also be able to learn deer body language. Many times they will hear you but only respond by a twitch of the tail or ears. You also have to learn the calls in association with the time of year as well as the tone of the calls depend much on where the individual stands in the hierarchy of the herd. It really is very interesting to learn and will help a great deal getting them in bow range. The last thing is they are much like turkeys in the way if they are coming in you have to learn to just shut up and let their curiosity take over. The video does not show all of the calls but does give you a great starting point. The video is trying to sell product but you can use many other company brands as well as even your own mouth to make many sounds with practice. The most important thing is to impart personality into your calling by changing tone and sequence.
 

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i have had the best success with grunting in mid to late october...the bucks are really starting to move and get agressive...at this time in the year dont be afraid to get agressive with the call...testosterone(forgive me for my spelling) levels are really starting to rise especially as the temperature drops...
 

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calls

I have hunted for 19yrs, and have never heard a deer make a sound other than fighting, one or two grunts an lots of blowing an stomping.
 

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I guess the deer I hunt are just vocal. I have heard doe's bleat, fawns allmost crying with their extended bleating, bucks of all sizes grunt in several different ways. The bucks chasing does is a short sharp grunt and a more social where are you kind of grunt that is a low long grunt.

The only grunts I imitate are the two buck grunts depending on the time of season. I was watching a small buck chase a doe around a field in 2006 when I heard a low deep grunt to my left and the dominate buck was about 20' away walking right to me on his way to the hot doe. Even though it was a very quite grunt it got my attention and the attention of the doe that was 50 yards away because even after I shot the buck she came up and stood right where he was.
 
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