Thanks for the thoughts....I, personally have not asked him, but my dad said that he has 'hinted' it around, to be honest I am not sure if he has even done that.....the thing with the family coming down to hunt is the ONLY excuse they have....as to why exactly I cannot go hunting out there is beyond me, I have already 'proved myself' by taking the an 8 point last year (my first deer) with my other Grandfather, it was a good hit, the buck ran only about 40-55 yards before colapseing.....they support me and everything but when it comes time to actually asking to go they pretty much shut down and never give me an answer...I tend to get kinda emotional about this so I have pretty much stopped asking since last year when it really became clear that I can only 'look'.:sad: But I can look forward to going with my other Grandfather this year, so it's not all bad.