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Someone once corrected me on the proper use of Black Horn powder here. Now that person is violating the caution on the front of the jar." engineered for modern (in-line) muzzleloaders with 209 ignition". I think it's pretty clear that shooting BH in a side lock would violate the product's disclaimer. Please think before tinkering with firearms or modifying their structural integrity serious injury could occur! If there are any suggestions to alter certain firearm parts I will consult prior with Buckfever and then delete such posts. I don't see where the cautionary posts have had productive results. There is no question at all that factory warranties are being voided.
 

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I am in touch with Western Powders and they dont have any problems shooting BH209 in a sidelock with the 209 adapter. They gave me 2 thumbs up when i was doing duplexing BH209 with jim shockeys gold in my hawken, no safety issues as the pressures were more than safe.

Blackhorn doesnt recommend shooting the powder in open style rifles, Buckhorn, knight mk93 - lk93 - White rifles, muzzle loaders that use plunger style rifles. breech plugs that use the slot for removal " screw driver style plug"

My mag spark exploded to the the manf. changing up the original design, unknown the to patent holder until now. They weakened it and this could have happened with ANY powder.

Oops forgot, after shipping i made under $90 on it. Add the work i put into it, thrown in 30-40 360gr lee minie bullets i made, assortment of targets + $60 durasight QD rings, i basically gave it away.
 

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I gave them a call, Don Lewis, I believe, and had to leave a message for him to call me back. FG, you may be right but I'd like to her from them.
 
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fg although i find your experiments interesting, i really believe your treading on hazardous ground here. its one thing to do the modifications and experiments on your own but there is no disclaimer and you are taking no responsibility when you post these "outside manufacturers recommendations" things you are doing. its obvious you kinda know what you are doing but you might be putting ideas in the heads of those that may not fully understand or know exactly what it is you are doing. i really think you're being a little more than irresponsible. just my opinion
 
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cool stuff. bet that ain't no cva in that site. still i like said you may kinda know what you are doing doesn't mean everyone reading your posts has your knowledge. i still think you are being somewhat irresponsible. its one thing to answer a question its another to promote these things you are doing, which are outside the MANUFACTURERS (not some guy experimenting) guide lines.
 

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Spoke with Don Lewis they may be adding a comment on their web site "Black Horn is for in-lines only". He'd rather not see people using Black Horn in side locks period. A little different from FG's post.
 

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Any promotion on altering certain gun parts will get a note to Buck Fever and with his approval a post delete from me. This is thin ice to me.
 

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Ask for Don Luhr, hes been well aware of me shooting it in sidelocks.

The safety failure i had was due to the specs being changed without the owner being aware. Don pretty much said that since it happened, it'd probably be best to not use it again for safety reasons.

I can always use the duplex load like i did before but that just slowed things down.
 
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Ask for Don Luhr, hes been well aware of me shooting it in sidelocks.

The safety failure i had was due to the specs being changed without the owner being aware. Don pretty much said that since it happened, it'd probably be best to not use it again for safety reasons.

I can always use the duplex load like i did before but that just slowed things down.
plus diddling with other things, pressures, no doubt
 
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what pressures are your modification to components rated/tested to? what is the pressure of your mixing of powders? if you can't answer those questions with scientific back up then you are promoting dangerous behavior. simple
 

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what pressures are your modification to components rated/tested to? what is the pressure of your mixing of powders? if you can't answer those questions with scientific back up then you are promoting dangerous behavior. simple
When it doubt, you always ask the Manf for help, which is what i do.

What modifications to what?
 
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When it doubt, you always ask the Manf for help, which is what i do.

What modifications to what?
Right but you got more knowledge than the normal person when it comes to these things. But if you are promoting some modification then you need to give a source to check your info or a disclaimer. No one is saying you don't know what you are doing. What I'm saying is as far as anyone knows you don't. You need to give sources and each and evry possible thing that can go wrong. Sorry about typeos its from my phone
 
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i cant answer your questions when i dont know what the question was.

Pressure ratings on what? and what modification to what?
the nipple even without the screw up with manufacturing (besides that would have been okay-ed by the designer or they wouldn't have built it.)(here's a word you may want to look up. liability.) and the pressures of the powder mixing or using powders not recommended for side locks. any mod you made or any factors outside the recommended applications.

now you sound like my kid. what balh balh?
 

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Oh okay the deplex load you mean?

Western Powders Okay'd my 5 grain jim shockeys gold booster charge i used in my sidelock to help ignite the BH209 with a #11 cap. They said it produces no where near enough spike in pressure to cause any harm.

Seems like its the only thing left now unless Hubbard gets a new company to build his mag sparks to his specs. I emailed Lehigh to see if he'd take over the building.
 
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