[scentman]

I have been having issues with my Accura fouling when using the BH209 powder. Aside from the one issue of the breach having a narrow flash channel, I am wondering if when I fire the gun my .50 powerbelt is not a really tight fit and is moving forward some thus keeping the charge from being compacted for a good fire.
I am very new to BH209 and wanted to know what you gents think?:mellow:

 

[deerless]

If that is what you think why not try a sabot and see what happens?

 

[scentman]

any suggestions on a sabot? All I ever used have been power belts along with 777 pellets.

 

[daddus1]

scentman,
I do know for a fact that you can't use the low output primers that you'd use with 777. You should use a standard shotgun primer. My encore can shoot 12 or 15 shots with sabots before it get hard. I tried this intentionally just to see if what they advertise is true and it is. With powerbelts you should not have a problem. I just use the standard Winchester 209 primers and it works very well.
Let us know how you make out, keep us in the loop.
Thanks and God bless
daddus

 

[daddus1]

scentman,
also max load for bh is 120 grains
daddus

 

[frontiergander]

adjust the head spacing. That will take care of the mess inside the action. Its mainly primer blow by. Powerbelts will work fine, i shoot thousands of them each year with BH209.

 

[Muley]

You spend thousands of dollars a year on Powerbelts??

 

[frontiergander]

$20 per 15 x 4 to 5,000 shots a year. Thousands yes LOL.

 

[Hunting Man]

I don't shoot 1000's of rounds but I don't see this crud ring issue either. The TC Triumph will only shoot 2 shots then needs a wire brush and good for two more. It loads sabots pretty tight. I haven't tried harvester sabots yet, but I'm not interested in powerbelts. Not much difference between TC super glides shock waves and Barnes bullet/sabots loading through the Triumph, both are tight. BH is a good powder.

 

[Hunting Man]

From all the posts here CVA seems to have more dang problems than everything else combined. Maybe here lies the heart of the problem. While our site is only a small sampling of ml owners across the country, seems to be many unhappy CVA owners having issues. Just some thoughts. I can see another post saying someone makes a living repairing TC rifles but you would think we'd get a few unhappy TC, Traditions, Lyman ect posts regarding problems. I would steer clear of CVA products based just on the problems thay have been posted just by our members. Maybe CVA needs to send me one of their top models to do a quality review!!! h34r: Anyway spend your hard earned dollars wisely in whatever brand you purchase.

 

[scentman]

Like I posted before I started with a cva hunterbolt... shot it alot, cleaned after each day afield, and for the price nice low stress gun.

So I look at ml's and decide I'll try the Accura, price is right and going on past performance I buy it.

Shooting .50 powerbelts, 100 gr.777 pellets, 777 win. muzzleloader primers... best groups I have ever shot with any rifle.
I hear about bh209 powder and give it a try, and I learn some owners are having some trouble fouling, some are not.
I will work thru it, but as far as the rifle is concerned... I am happy with it.

 

[frontiergander]

cva only has an issue with the breech plugs with bh209 hang firing, they of course will have a new plug available to fix that issue in june.

The only posts made about cva are by me and i am always tinkering with them to see what i can do to improve things.

Most of our guns are stock though. My Optima has been the main test horse and will get more improvements by me later on.

 

[frontiergander]

2 shots before needing a wire brush = crud ring LOL. Shoot BH209 and you wont even see the need for a wire brush or cleaning solution on the range.

 

[Muley]

cva only has an issue with the breech plugs with bh209 hang firing, they of course will have a new plug available to fix that issue in june.

The only posts made about cva are by me and i am always tinkering with them to see what i can do to improve things.

Most of our guns are stock though. My Optima has been the main test horse and will get more improvements by me later on.

The CVA also has the worse ramrod i've ever seen. Cheap thin tubing.

Please don't say you have no problems FG. On your forum guys are complaining and replacing the ramrod.

Besides i'm sure you use your range rod 99% of the time. I can use my Omega ramrod for the range, cleaning, and hunting. As I should be able to do.

I also find the CVA's have tight bores which means some bullets won't work.

Maybe the breech plug is going to be fixed, but for years and right now if you buy a CVA. It's not fixed.

One last thing. Whatever they put on the outside of the barrel. It scratches easily.

Now, just to compare. The Omega has none of the CVA problems.

 

[frontiergander]

Yeah but ive only had the range rod for a year. I've owned a lot of rifles and the only ramrods that gave me trouble were the wooden ramrods. I dont see how the others have so much trouble with the ramrods.

.500-.501" they run these days. Theres really no specific standard bore size in the industry. TC's have the most tightest bores of .498 to .499" Some go as big as .503"

We could go on and on about all brands of muzzle loaders and their problems, but in the end, we'll still shoot what works best for us.

 

[Muley]

Just pointing out the CVA has more than a breech problem.

Yes, no ML is perfect. Even the almost perfect Omega. (front sight was too short) :surprised:

 

[frontiergander]

had that problem with an omega too. only they sent me a new sight that was the same height. They said to send the barrel back as its most likely a flaw. No way in heck i was giving up that barrel as it shot conicals excellent.

 

[Hunting Man]

FG, if you review past posts I do shoot BH powder. I have a TC Triumph with a tight barrel which makes for a very accurate barrel in my most humble opinion. BH powder is not as clean burning as some wish to advertise. Much better than black powder, slightly better than 777. I have limited range shooting with the Knight and BH but initial groups are very good. We'll see what the Traditions will do. I purchased a front adj sight-in rest and rear sand bag so watch out, competition is on the way even with these old eyes! :boxing:

 

[frontiergander]

slightly cleaner than T7? thats a big claim right there.

Just curious but what troubles does BH209 cause in the triump?

I can darn near clean my bore out with just a paper towel when using BH209.

 

[Hunting Man]

The sabots go down hard after two shots, really hard, regardless whether using 777, BH,. Once everything is clean again (wire brush) I get two shots again. The Knight is the same way so it's not just a TC thing. The sabots start to get tight 6"into loading and all the rest of the way down.The clean up with BH is still messy, it's black and clean up still takes time with a ML if you do it right.