[Muley]

90-110gr is the sweet spot for any gun.

 

[Muley]

Makes those hard loading tc's bearable for the first time. This is very common practice. I do all of my bores, even centerfires with it. It will not an abrasive compound.

Last sentence is goofy.

 

[Muley]

Funny HM. One of the reasons I sold the Omega was most all the bullets I tried in it were too loose. Even the .503 FPB. :sad:

 

[Muley]

I was still surprised that it was so loose. When I talked to TC they told me the Omega and Triumph have basically the same barrel except for length. I was expecting a tight barrel. Even Powerbelts and sabots were too loose.

Along with the trigger. I wasn't impressed with their quality control.

I've never heard of a CVA that the .500 Thor didn't fit perfect. I didn't even bother with the Thor sample kit. I just ordered the .500.

I like the TC sidelocks. Not so much for the inlines.

 

[Muley]

If I had to rank them out I'd have TC, Traditions, then CVA a distant third. That's just how I see it. Most of all the people I know and hunt with are TC fans, there's a solid historical quality reason for it! To all those in the market for a new/used muzzleloader, you don't have to look no farther than TC line of products. Every TC rifle I have ever owned was a great shooting, accurate, and quality made product, what else needs to be said? Someday CVA will be able to say that, too! Heading to work!

Lets be serious for a minute. Have you owned, or even shot a new 2010 Wolf?

Otherwise your opinion doesn't hold much value.

 

[Muley]

Of course we all have our opinion. We also rag on each other in fun, because we like different brands.

In this case i'm not talking about rumors. I talk about my experiences in owning the guns. I know that CVA has had problems in the past. That doesn't mean in applies with the new models.

Even though the Wolf is a lower priced gun. It's CVA's best selling gun. That doesn't work for a gun that isn't any good. No matter what the price is. Buyers/hunters want a gun that works.

The Wolf has the same trigger and receiver that the Optima does. It has a Bergara barrel. It's not stainless steel (which I don't like), and it doesn't have the final polish that the Accura does, but JB will solve that along with some shooting. Mine shot right out of the box. A sub MOA @100yds is impressive to me for an y gun. My Omega never did it after trying a ton of loads. The Wolf did it with the first load.

The Omega had blow back. The Wolf has none. The Omega had creep in the trigger and a 6lb pull. The Wolf has no creep, and a 3 3/4lb pull. Thw Wolf has an excellent recoil pad. No reason to change it. The Omega pad sucked, and I had to buy a Simms Limbsaver pad for it.

The ramrod fell out after every shot on the Omega. The Wolf doesn't. The Omega shot BH 209 with no alterations. So does the Wolf.

The Omega bruised my cheek with hunting loads. It just didn't fit me. The Renegade is even worse. The Wolf fits me perfect, and hunting loads don't bother me. The Wolf is lighter than the Omega, and has less recoil. (?)

For the same price, the Wolf came with a nice gun case, Konus Pro scope, Durasight mounts, and bore sighted.

TC is now owned by S&W. Will the service be the same. There is none right now. They're moving. Not a guess. I've talked to them on the phone. They said I couldn't talk to tech for 3 months.

So, tell me HM. What part of TC is better?

 

[Muley]

I forgot. It was impossible to sight in the Omega with the sights it came with. With the rear sight as low as it would go. The gun still shot high. TC was aware of this, and sent me a higher front sight from another model. I had to modify it to fit, but the gun still shot high.

Quality? Not from my view.

 

[Muley]

HM..........It really has nothing to do with quality based on who buys what gun. They sold a lot of Edsel's too.:no:

I think CVA sales were hurt by one past gun. Those weren't Bergara barrels. I'm not sure you're aware that some TC owners put Bergara barrels on their guns. It's a fine barrel that isn't going to blow up. CVA guns come with Bergara barrel NOW! Judge the gun we buy NOW!

I'm not knocking TC guns, but they aren't the holy grail either. I had problems with mine. I don't listen to rumors, or what others say about a gun. I experience it for myself, and report what I experienced. Nobody has to believe me, but I just tell the truth with no agenda.

You probably shouldn't talk about a Hawken with me without a little more knowledge. The barrel you describe was a swamped barrel. The outside of the barrel tapered in the middle to save weight. The bore was straight. As far as i know Hawken didn't use a swamped barrel. Maybe on special order, but they're barrels were just straight tapered. Usually from 1 1/8" to 1". Hawken wasn't concerned with weight. Most of the guns weighed from 12-15 lbs.

This is the next Hawken i'm building.

Kit Carson

 

[Muley]

FG just told me about that barrel. I can't believe I never ran across it before. I thought I had all the Hawken books. My interest has always been the fur trade era of pre 1840. Was this a later barrel they tried?

It's hard to stay up on all Hawken guns, because they were all different.

Yes, I am that old. Sam was a good buddy. :yes:

 

[Muley]

FG the message was about quality not specific models. Lyman builds a fine mass produced Hawken/plains rifle way better than anything CVA ever produced in that style. You keep trying but come up empty. TC's Penn Hunter once again showed TC's quality in producing a really great ML and used some nice walnut something CVA didn't do very much of.

Lyman doesn't build any guns. They're made by an Italian company Interarms. They also make guns for Cabelas. I bought one of those Lyman Hawken guns, and sent it back it had so many problems. Others have done the same thing. Quality has gone downhill lately. Sort of like TC. :sad:

 

[Muley]

HM....I'll give you the TC sidelocks. They're good guns, but still have faults.

I'm not sure what weird human form designed the Renegade stock, but there was a long thread on another forum about the Renegade stock banging their cheek. Mine was awful for me.

Other than that. It was a fine shooting gun with a good lock and trigger.

It's the only other TC i've owned besides the Omega.

Neither impressed me like the little Wolf I have now. Which i'm sure is going to put elk in my freezer in the future. :yes:

 

[Muley]

Amen brother.

We can squabble over the small things, but we're all hunters, and that gives us a brotherhood.