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I know i have totally beaten up this topic but i need some serious input! I cant choose between the the TC Impact, TC Omgea z5, CVA Optima. I really like the omega but seems like the cva for the price might be the better deal. I'm totally new to mL and want to make a good choice with my money! Thanks in advance!
 

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Turbohawk1, the best thing for you to do would be to throw both those silly choices out and get a Traditions Vortek and put an end to your worries because with the Vortek you're not only getting the best rated muzzleloader on the market right now but you'd be getting the most feature packed muzzleloader for your money.

BUT if you're determined to buy one of the lower rated options I would easily choose the TC over the CVA, If you monitor muzzleloader forums you'll always notice how many shooters are having to "tinker" with those cva brands vs. any of the other brands.

just do an internet search of "cva optima issues" and read the problems people are having with the optima, I hope you have a lot of reading time to spare.

Good Luck :coffee: !!!!
 

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This is a no brainer, TC over CVA every time. I don't know about BB's Vortex that he purchased. I know which direction I would go.
 

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I forgot to say.

I love my Omega better than the CVA Optima, Accura V2, and Traditions Vortek UL that I used to have.

Much better. :yes:
 

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I would take any of my TC rifles over CVA products but that's just me :bag: My only CVA rifle is a flint mountain rifle (older model) :thumbdown: that is no comparison to my (TC PA flintlock :thumbup:) I'd look at those Traditions Vortex models before I'd purchase a higher end CVA rifles. CVA's may fit your budget needs right now, but sooner or later you're going to move up to TC quality. :pickle:
 

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FG, you are incorrect on this one! You can pick up used CVA mountain rifles all day long for 250, the TC PA flints go for 350. If you'd like to send me 350.00 I'll send you a nice Flint CVA mountain rifle! You can go back in the ML past posts and even take a look at it. :photo:
 

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it seems like i shoot a lot, and i do. Not my fault no one here shoots and posts anything.

Im going out now to do some shooting, may report back if the accuracy is fair LOL.
 

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FG seems like we debate quite a bit here, your slam was not appreciated nor accurate. Seems like we talk about most everything relating to ML rifles on this forum. Just to note: Nobody gives me anything not even TC, I just know a quality product when I see/use one. You not taking me up on my offer on the mountain rifle?? I'll even throw in a few flints, yellow, grey, sawed. :thumbup: It would be another CVA to add to your collection and I could add another??? Currently, I'm high bidder on that Traditions combo package. I put in my last bid today win, loose.
 
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tc's machining, fit, and finish far surpasses either cva or traditions, or always have. we'll see what the move they made does to them. there are more custom type mls out there but you really pay for them. not many manufactures have as good of a balance between quality and cost as tc's.

frontier, if cva's are so darn great why in the world do you have to keep taking them apart, modifing them, and rebuilding them so they shoot as well and are as reliable as tc's out of the box? or in other words building them up to near tc standards yet still not quite reaching it?
 

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it seems like i shoot a lot, and i do. Not my fault no one here shoots and posts anything.

Im going out now to do some shooting, may report back if the accuracy is fair LOL.
I do shoot a lot. I shoot CAS too, and burn two cases a year just doing that.

My problem is my new computer with Windows 7. I never had a problem with my old computer on XP. For the life of me I can't get my new computer to recognize my camera. I gave up trying and don't bother taking pictures anymore.

Hunting and range reports suck without pictures.
 

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frontier, if cva's are so darn great why in the world do you have to keep taking them apart, modifing them, and rebuilding them so they shoot as well and are as reliable as tc's out of the box? or in other words building them up to near tc standards yet still not quite reaching it?
Its my passion to tinker with things and see if i can make them shoot better. Free floating a barrel or forearm should be something done on all rifles, it helps greatly during the summer heat.

A 5/32" flash channel in a breech plug allows you to shoot more shots and be less affected by the carbon build up causing your shots to slow down.

Adjusting your head spacing for a tighter fit to eliminate primer blow by also helps keep pressures inside the breech plug level and clean. A gun that shoots more soot into the action than into the barrel isnt going to be very consistent IMO.

A clean bore may shoot tighter groups than a filthy bore, especially when shooting T7 or pyrodex.

Mike Bellm of Bellmtcs makes a living off of repairing TC's mess up's.
 

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There you go again FG.

Ok, how's this for a comeback.

He couldn't make a living off of fixing CVA's, because nobody buys them.
 
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Its my passion to tinker with things and see if i can make them shoot better. Free floating a barrel or forearm should be something done on all rifles, it helps greatly during the summer heat.

A 5/32" flash channel in a breech plug allows you to shoot more shots and be less affected by the carbon build up causing your shots to slow down.

Adjusting your head spacing for a tighter fit to eliminate primer blow by also helps keep pressures inside the breech plug level and clean. A gun that shoots more soot into the action than into the barrel isnt going to be very consistent IMO.

A clean bore may shoot tighter groups than a filthy bore, especially when shooting T7 or pyrodex.

Mike Bellm of Bellmtcs makes a living off of repairing TC's mess up's.
thanks for confirming the point of my question. why sould you have to tinker with them to make them shoot better. not needed with a tc.

and i know guys/shops that use to put the cva trade-ins in a barrel for 50 bucks. now they won't even take them in trade. all it takes is to look at a tc and cva side by side (same gun like both hawkens) to see the quality difference and tc's castings, machining, fit and finish is far superior.
 
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