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first, before this gets out of hand, let me know if this is a re-post or whatever you want to call it.

if not, let it get out of hand...

my question has one difference than most other AR in the woods threads. specifically i dont have the normal one youre thinking of, its not a .223, its not a .308, its a .450 bushmaster.

the thoughts going through my mind are "well, i shot a 240GR bullet out of my muzzle loader when i had it, at about 2000FPS or a little slower". i never chronographed it. so a 250GR bullet going 2200FPS wouldnt be much different, and it would be at the same time. catch what im saying? its zeroed dead on at 50 yards, has an EO-Tech holographic weapon sight on it, and its accurate out to 150 yards. furthest i feel comfortable shooting it. they say 200-250, but without a magnifying scope, no way.

so, what do you guys think? they are gaining popularity.
 

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.450 for deer? Isn't that a little overkill?

I could see if you were hunting bear or moose, but it's way too much caliber for anything I would be hunting around home.
 

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.450 for deer? Isn't that a little overkill?

I could see if you were hunting bear or moose, but it's way too much caliber for anything I would be hunting around home.
Deer are a bit bigger bodied up here though.......Personally I see nothing wrong at all with using an AR for deer hunting. I think a 308 would work better but a .450 Bushmaster would also work great.
 

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too much caliber? really? youve never heard of a .58Cal muzzle loader? .54? .50? like i stated in my post, i had a muzzle loader that shot a .44Cal 240 grain bullet, only 10 grains lighter and slightly smaller in diameter. the .450 has a 250 grain bullet. people use ML's all the time, thats not too much, so why is the .450 too much? it only goes 200FPS faster than a muzzle loader, will have about the same trajectory, and about the same if not a little more energy.

guys use .300WM and .300RUM to hunt deer, they are by far more powerful than the .450. and what about the marlin guys? 450 marlin, too much?

and its not strictly a caliber thing. its about energy. a .308Win with a 150 grain bullet has about the same energy as the .450 bushmaster.
 

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i really didnt mean for that to be offensive, more like a quick jab or two. but what im more concerned with are your views on the actual platform in the woods. not just the caliber. just added that in because i knew you would all be asking me what it is anyway. anyone else?
 

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The AR-15 is a very good platform. I don't see why it would be frowned upon being used in the deer woods.....although there are just some people out there like that...
 

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see, thats what im talking about. im in the army, and i carried an M4 carbine in iraq for a year, and ive qualified with M16's for 7 years now, its kind of a comfort thing too, i know exactly where everything is already, and i already know every way to correct a malfunction. and i think it would be fun too.

man, i cant wait for regular season to open back home! 20-NOV cant get here fast enough.
 

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id say go for it, as long as you have the right ammo whats the issue? I know there are some hunters out there that are hardcore into their $700 Remington's but i'm a guy who likes military guns, and if it kills the same then why not. I think its mostly a territorial thing going on, like hunters feel that guys using military weapons aren't really hunters. I grew up hunting and had a 308, now im using a mosin. I prefer military guns because if i'm going to shell out $700 on a gun it better be something thats fun for the range too.
 

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well, $700 for the .450 bushmaster will only get you the upper reciever. i paid right around $1400 about 6 or 8 months after they first came out(i know, a sucker born everyday). anyway, theres really only 2 loadings for it. one from hornady, 250GR FTX, and one from remington, 260GR accu tip. and i havent seen the 260 anywhere. and i have a remington(.223) thats worth around $1500-1600 with everything on it. so its not price that im worried about. and i mean, i already know im going to bring it in the woods, i just want to see what everyones views are.
 

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i say go for it i'm going to buy the new r25 by remington it's a 308 i also use a marlin 444 sometimes for deer most of the time its my pa bear gun but i think you will be fine good luck let us know how it works for deer
 

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the R-25 is a nice platform from a reputable maker. and the .444 is a proven round on just about everything. i just like the idea of carrying mine. not for the quick reloading, thats irrelevant to me. if i miss with my first shot, im not going to shoot again. it wasnt meant to be i guess. but the quick handling of the 20" barrel, the pistol grip, the EO-Tech holographic weapon sight. that thing can pick up a target quicker than any sight ive ever looked through.
 

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i'm getting the r-25 for the quick reload the swamps in north carolina are thick and i want to be able to get off alot of lead quicky i know that sounds unsportsmen like but if you could see all the deer in those swamps you would understand
 

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Most sporting arms in the history of firearms were originally developed for military use, so i say the AR platform is just the next modern sporting rifle platform. One note is the R25 and R15 are made by bushmaster for remington
 

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ur better off with the rock river lar 8 than the remington r25,the rock river comes standard with 2 stage match trigger.u will not be happy with the r25 trigger and there having finisf problems with the camo.look into the rock river
 

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in my opinion its not a big deal but all in all if your comfortable with your weapon of choice than i would use it generally a .308 would be favorable by most hunters but .450 i think might ruin some of your deer meat
 

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and i will call it unsportsmanlike. i have never heard anyone i can call a hunter say anything like that. regardless of how many deer there are. you take one at a time, its a little thing called fair chase. slinging 30 rounds in rapid succesion is more like an ambush. sorry, i call it like i see it. dont be butt hurt over it.
 

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in my opinion its not a big deal but all in all if your comfortable with your weapon of choice than i would use it generally a .308 would be favorable by most hunters but .450 i think might ruin some of your deer meat
again, as i said before. look up the ballistics of the .450 marlin, the .444 marlin, look at the ballistics of a 348GR powerbelt going 2000FPS. look at the energy a 12GA slug has with a much larger diameter projectile. people hunt all the time with those rounds, and even more than i stated. also, i dont like run of the mill. just because it works for him, doesnt mean i want it. if the companies all came together and made "super round" that would kill everything, ruin no meat, and anyone could shoot it, regardless of size... 2 things would happen; gun companies would go broke within a year or two, and hunting would be boring. thats why we try different things and hunt differently. aside from "getting off as much lead as i can", i dont really dissagree with anyones hunting styles or weapons choice.
 

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look im not gonna go down this road but nodody can call me unsportsmanlike i use a rock river lar 8 in 308.its a five shot and i will outshoot any other semiautomatic deerhunting rifle outthere.remingtons ,brownings etc,now you may not like the looks but i dont care for a benelli r1 that shoots 2 inch groups at 100 when i shoot .25.apples and oranges but its a five shot in a great deer hunting caliber.i do not hunt with my 223,s because i think there are better calibers.the fact is the ar platform is attaining great accuracy and its popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.su look up the lar 8 predator hp
 
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