Im thinking about getting a remington 870 super mag turkey deer combo.(I dont know when but i think im gonna find a way to get one) Was wondering what the maximum effective range of slugs is, I know most are only good to 150 yards some are good to 200, are any good to farther ranges?
i think past 200 you should be looking at rifles,but thats me
Currenyly I'm in the process of having a new Rem 870 express mag tapped and will install a low mount Leupold 3X9X40 scope on it. Most seem to have cantalever mounts but i'm having the receiver drilled and tapped like a rifle. This will be for any midwest hunting that requires shotgun only. I probably will never utalize the 3X9 but it was a birthday present and its for a shotgun so we'll see how it all works out. Max range, I won't know till I see the pattern and try some slugs. Any suggestions on the best slugs for a rifled barrel is appreciated.
use copper solids for fully rifled slug barells lol it works great... or u can use winchester superx sabot slug those work good 2
well, my reasoning for 200+ yards with a slug is this: Most hunting guides ive read about wont let you bow hunt with them if you cant put all of your shots in an 8" pie plate at any range you want to atempt a shot; so, if i can keep my slugs in a 8" group at 250-300 yards i can kill a deer, correct? and yes i know they would drop alot due to low velocity but how is that much different than a 75-100 yard bow shot?(it isnt, both are hard shots but do-able)
This is just my opinion: I think you have your yardage estimates a tad bit long. I will be happy if my slug gun will shoot accurate (4" group)out to 125yds and most bow hunters would not shoot past 50 yds. Yes there are people who can and do, but for the average bowhunter 30-40 yds would be tops and even these take considerable practice to pull off cleanly. After 30 years of bowhunting, I know my maximum range is still 30 yds. The one change I've made is to go to a one pin sight set dead on at 25 yds.
nobody shoots deer at 100 yards with a bow:crazy:they dont have enough kinetic energy to kill i would guess the drop would be huge.comparing bows to shotguns is like comparing a golf ball to a tennis racket,makes no sense
This is ridiculous. Any slug shot past 150 (and that is a stretch) comes from an unethical hunter------YAHOO! The gun Ron refers to is more of a bolt action rifle and like he said you are going to pay for it too. Come on guys stop beating around the bush and tell it like it is. DO NOT SHOOT A SLUG PAST 150 YARDS! They are not designed for it. Most slug guns have a very hard time holding a consistant group past 75 yards from the average shooter. A 4" group at 100 yards is very good in most cases. 200 or 300 yard shots please for all of us Stay Home.
I don't know why I'm going to try to clear this one up but here's goes.
I think Venison~Lover is asking the original question with Sabot Slugs in mind and NOT the old fashioned smooth bore round ball style slugs "WE" veterans refer to as slugs but still today when someone talks with us about Slugs for shotguns we don't think about Sabot Slugs the first thing that comes to mind are smooth bore type slugs.
SO with that in mind I have to say If your bore is a smooth bore don't look for accuracy much past 50 or 60 yards, It just isn't going to happen.
If you have a rifled bore and you're using sabot slugs you can probably get good groups at 150 yards "IF" you're a really good shooter,
The "Average" shooter even with sabot slugs should probably stay away from the 150 yard range.
If you're going to the range to try your accuracy with Sabot slugs, make sure You're using a RIFLED barrel and
make sure you use Remington's 12ga. PREMIER® CORE-LOKT® ULTRA BONDED SABOT SLUGS, Those are currently the best performers.
I hope this helps
Here's a quote from Remington's chart.
Remington Shotshell Ballistics -Slug Load
~ ~ ~
PREMIER® CORE-LOKT® ULTRA BONDED SABOT SLUGS
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Velocity (ft/sec) Energy (ft-lbs)
IndexNo. Ga. ~ ~ Shell Length Slug Wt. Muzzle ~ ~ ~ 50yd ~ ~100yd
PR12CLU 12ga. ~ ~ ~2 3/4" ~ ~385-gr 1900/1770 1648/3086 2682/2325
PR20CLU 20ga. ~ ~ ~2 3/4" ~ ~260-gr 1900/1750 1615/2084 1774/1506
Index No.....Muzzle 25yd...50yd...75yd...100yd...125yd...150yd
This particular subject is a sore spot with me right now because of an issue happening right now in my state. Thanks to one man who SLUNG a sabot slug at a deer over 200 yards his stray round went through the front window of a day care center 275 yards away. Nobody was hurt however tonight I am going to a hearing with hundreds of other hunters because the anti's have started a bill to change the current laws regarding safety zones for ALL hunting weapons. Currently we have to maintain 150 yards from dwellings. The new law would change that to 300 yards and/or maximum range of your weapon. All weapons would have to be used only from an elevated treestands and NO hunting on properties less than 10 acres. This yahoo is responsible for possibly ELIMINATING hunting all together for about 40% of lands in surrounding areas of the Washington/Baltimore areas as well as many other areas of the state. Most farms here are less than 100 acres so with these new regs that could possibly pass and thinking of barns and such even these farms would be illegal to hunt. Now this would effect everyone from waterfowlers to squirrel hunters to deer hunters and on. This is a RED HOT topic here that has got the whole state of hunters in an uproar. All of this because of one idiot. Think of it MILLIONS of rounds fired every year here during hunting seasons and one accident like this and the hole it left poured hundreds of PETA and anti hunting morons. Don't think for one moment it could not happen in your home state as well.:wallbash: We cannot just flower and perfume subjects like this. There is no gray areas anymore. Our hunting rights are under attack and it is up to us to teach as well as enforce GOOD hunting ethics.
got that alert from the sportmans association.you must be in maryland.GIVE IT TO EM GOOD at that meating:boxing::boxing::boxing::boxing:
according to the Facts your hunting rights aren't under attack at all, It looks to me like the state is trying to negotiate safer hunting not eliminate it.
This wasn't an isolated incident for Md. The Daycare shooting was the second incident that took place during this years hunting, On Nov. 29, two bullets hit a home near Williamsport, resulting in negligent hunting. charges against Rodney Harne, 19, of Williamsport. One bullet entered the home through a window and the other broke a garage window. Harne was also more than 150 yards from the home, police say.
No one was hurt in either incident.
I know how you feel wmi but how do you and the other hunters expect to argue it when your own (Paul Peditto, director of the DNR's Wildlife and Heritage Service.) is encouraging a ban.
Peditto said Tuesday that rather than seeking a change in state law, county officials should first consider banning firearm discharges in areas where development has made hunting with guns inappropriate.
"We're willing to continue working with the counties regarding their concerns raised by these unfortunate circumstances, but because both of these individuals have been charged with negligent hunting, it does beg the question whether changing the words in the law book would change the outcome and/or the behavior," Peditto said.
Montgomery County – On Friday, Jan. 9, the Maryland Natural Resources Police charged a Germantown man with natural resources and criminal violations. The charges are the result of an investigation that started in Sept. of 2008.
Paul K. Howell Jr., 18, of Germantown was charged with shooting on, from, or across a roadway; nighttime hunting; hunting within a safety zone; reckless endangerment; malicious destruction of property; and violating a Montgomery County weapons ordinance.
The incident started on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2008 after NRP received a report of an individual finding a hunting arrow inside his Spring Meadows Drive residence. The arrow had entered the residence through the front window and landed on a sofa inside the house. Montgomery County Police took the initial report.
A court date of Feb. 26 has been scheduled for Howell in Montgomery County District Court.
Queen Anne’s County – On Thursday, Jan. 1, at 9 a.m., the Maryland Natural Resources Police charged four individuals with exceeding the daily bag limit of Canada geese on private property near Crumpton.
Christopher W. Figiel, 50, of Millington, Harry J. Langley, 65, of Preston, Brice E. Haddaway, 19 and Kyle J. Sadowski, 18, both of Chester were charged after NRP observed the men allegedly shoot eleven geese from a blind near the intersection of Routes 290 and 544.
The daily bag limit for Canada geese is two geese per person per day. During the incident, NRP seized as evidence, three Canada geese. A court date of Feb. 11 has been scheduled for the individuals in Queen Anne’s County District Court.
You guys are in a tough situation down there in Md. It sounds like you have a whole heap of YAHOOS "UnderEdumucated" Trust Me I'd be the first person to jump onto the battle wagon where bans on hunting areas become a concern but when the area isn't a safe area to discharge a weapon It's kind of hard to argue the issue, I would give up the area rather than risk further accidents BUT I would definately fight for the area's where the ban wouldn't be necessary.
In my responce to this distance question, I assumed the lack of knowledge of ethical shot distances was due to a lack of hunting experience and therefor tempered my responce accordingly. The origional topic included both slug and bow distance questions/statements that were flawed. Accidents are happening all over the country by hunters shooting various equipment and will continue. Violators have always been a problem. These issues will be magnified just because of the new president and the controlling political party. I hope that true hunters can form a strong political front and stop the democratic tide of anti guns/hunting. Hunters need to clean up their own acts and stop contributing to the problem!
Well said Hunting Man. Folks we need to realize hunting is not a "right" but a privilage, that can be taken away or put out of reach for mopst of us. As to the question of slug guns, I bought my youngest son an 870 turkey special years ago. When time came for him to move up from squirrels and rabbits to deer, I bought him a rifled choke tube and a side mount scope bracket. He shot sabotted slugs, Federals and Lightfields I believe. To this day that's the most accurate "off the shelf" slug gun I've ever seen. He could consistantly get 3" groups @ 125yds. This may be the exception rather than the rule, but I still wouldn't try shooting at game out to 175 - 200 yds with it. We don't need to confuse slug guns with rifle ranges unless the gun is designed for it, and even at that, manufacturers always present their products at the very best they will be able to perform.
wmi I really do understand your anger but the sad fact is you DO have idiots down there causing all these problems for the hunters, maybe they weren't hunted related incidents which doesn't matter anyway, What matters are the Bullets fired into a daycare & someones home and garage...
What if it was your home, or what if your kids were in that daycare? you'd be taking a different approach to this I'm sure.
I know you'll agree something has to be done to make those areas safer just because YOU might be the safer hunter and may not be the one sending a bullet into a daycare or a house BUT can you guarantee others won't? NO of course you can't Dude I'm not trying to argue with you over this I'm trying to help you rationalize the situation.
Your anger is causing you to see one side and one side only.
YES I have been to Maryland, I lived there WAY back in the early 80's, at a little ole' military installation called, Aberdeen proving ground and I'm no expert to the open hunting lands available now but if there are areas that put people in danger due to hunting than you and other hunters should do what it takes to help maintain those areas as safe as possible.
And you can't compare automobile accidents to accidents with weapons, there's just no comparison.
If you think the daycare issue is an area that shouldn't be tampered with because it's not a safety isse than what you should do is get all the "Other" incident facts regarding the daycare to show "Other" dangers to the daycare and not just weapons. You can't go in there screaming "Rights or automobiles or idiot gun owners" and expect to be heard.
I wish I were there to help, I consider myself to be pretty level headed and understanding, I think those are important qualities during a town meeting.
And I agree with you too southern man, just because an ammunitions manufacturer says it will do this or that, doesn't mean it should be practiced by everyone, not everyone can perform so well
No I don't agree. I believe in full prosecution of the guilty not condemning of the innocent. There is no difference between cars, guns,sticks or stones. Dead is dead and injury is injury. Therefore an accident is an accident. One is always found at fault and the other is not found guilty of being on the road.
In this case regarding the bill like all of the other crap our congress passes it has a lot of garbage that has nothing to do with the main issue. How could you view Maryland with waterfowling practically eliminated. Here it is a tradition of many generations. This bill is the first step in banning fire arms in this state. This is the intention and is well known behind the scenes. Have you heard of ripple affect? Well they are headed your way too. Having your opinion here would be the kiss of death to my 2nd amendment rights and hunting privileges. Anger is what politicians listen too. They are listening to the whining liberals and anti's aren't they? I for one am not standing on the sidelines waiting to see what happens. The NRA and SCI along with the Congressional Sportsman is here to fight it as well. I will side with them thank you.
Im gonna have to side with wmi on this one they are setting up unrealistic shooting parameters that will make most places un-hunt able.This is something that other states can /will adopt easily.Accidents happen and when they do its a shame but to jump on BAN wagon no pun intended you need to remove emotion from the argument.A person got shot in NY now they want to take away rifles from that zone.what's next the slug guns?
yes! then bows, then knives, then pointy sticks, then anything sharper than a bowl of pudding.
I'm siding with wmi and the hunters too and believe when it comes to issues that put my hunting privilege's at risk I have ZERO tolerance.. BUT I'm not going to promote hunting at a daycare, A daycre area is and always should be a safety zone.
I never said I was for the Ban all I said was (Paul Peditto, director of the DNR's Wildlife and Heritage Service.) is encouraging a ban.
What I mill say is the Daycare area needs to be addressed and I AGREE to that but if the result is going to affect other areas that's where I draw the line.
more on maryland
the DNR does not make the laws. Good luck to you wmi, I hope the outcome is positive for the hunters.
What PaulPeditto said:
well, i see what you guys are saying, about the range of slugs and there use: CLOSE RANGE, but in my opinion, if a shooter's gun can print lethal patterns at --- yds and he/she can hit that range then it is within range of his/her AND equipments acurate range and is ethical.FOR EXAMPLE: when i first started bowhunting i was fine with a draw of 43 lbs and a max range of 20 yards,and my dad thought i was crazy for wanting to even attempt any farther, now im shooting 50-ish and could put arrows in a target the size of a slate call all day long at 40 yards. and as for the hunting acidents, yes there will be acidents but if people just used common sense there would be far less.BUT, as far as 100+ yds with a slug goes,i wouldent and wont atempt the unless i and my gun will do it (or if it is windy) but were i usually hunt i can only get a clear shot to 50 MABEY 75 yards. the extended rang shots would be for EXTREAM worst case scenarios(if i can pull it off). but dont get me wrong, i see were you are coming from, if i were planning 250+ on a regular basis i would buy a rifle. I guess only testing will tell. and as always, BE SAFE OUT THERE;)
Venison~lover, you're absolutely right. IF you are able to put 200 yard shots in the vitals at the shooting range then
there's no reason why you should have to limit your abilities in your hunting woods. As long as you're within the law
and aware of your surroundings and are able to release a good safe shot.
This discussion wasn't directed at you and I hope you didn't think it was.
wmi has an active situation in his state right now that makes this a touchy subject for him right
now and I'm sure you understand that as well.
When you go to the Range I'd be interested in hearing how well you're shooting
and at what distances you're shooting at with slugs.
Good Luck to you.
I hope to add to the slug gun topic when I get this gun package put together and see what it will do. I have access to long ranges for sight-ins. Opinions in the forums are simply that. Some are based on actual experience and others on plublished articles. Hopefully the blend of both contributes to good advise and information for those seeking it. I think here we do a pretty good job on both fronts. With hunting season over now I have time to get my slug gun project completed. Well see what the 870 can do!
yeah you know what they say about opinions and everyone having one. There is a lot to consider when pushing the absolute limits of anything. Rifle, bow, shotgun, bullet weight high or low for any caliber, car, people and so on. Whats the wind drift of a BIG SLOW pumpkin ball at 200,300 yards? Whats the energy and is it enough? the difference between super long shots with a bow and super long shots with a gun is in the way they kill. the bow by cutting and bleeding to death and the gun by shock waves to destroy cells. so with a bow you need enough to cut arteries and the gun enough energy to wreck enough cells to get the job done. Just cause someone can hit a deer at super long range doesn't mean there is enough energy left to do the job cleanly and quickly. just my opinion, stinking or not.
you and I agree ronn! Extreem shooting should be something for the experienced not for the novise. The experienced one would know the limits and not exceed them for any reason. Thats just my opinion.:rolleyes:
All of the above is right on the mark. I have been hunting a very long time and I too will take long shots. This being said I practice a great deal to make sure my shots always hit their mark. Personally I keep my 870 to 150 yards or less. Can I make shots longer yes I can but you are really pushing the limits of the weapon. If I may make a suggestion if you want to be able to take shots at longer ranges why not use one of today's modern muzzle loaders instead? They are far more accurate and can be used even during gun season. Being that they are a single shot they force the shooter to make better judgements afield. They can make ethical shots at longer ranges up to 250 yards with practice. I myself now only use my muzzle loaders during gun season for just this reason. It boils down to using the right tool for the right job. Pushing the envelope in anything only leads to higher risk and questionable ethics. In this day and age of our hunting heritage being under constant attack we as hunters need to take a step back and think of the possibility of a stray bullet or the needless wounding of an animal. Bottom line is it just does not make us look good in the public eye. The public as I have seen here in Maryland does not look at the individual but the group as a whole.
wmi, what slugs are you using in your 870, and are they 3" or 3-1/2"?? Thanks HM
3" and the other thing that I would recomend is the Limb Saver Recoil Pad. Not the slip on but the screw on. The groups at 100 yards from a bench are under 1 1/2" believe it or not. I shoot the Remingtons like Bruce does. They shot so well I never bothered with any others much. If it ain't broke don't fix it thing.
These are the ones I use in 3", they aren't available in 3-1/2"
I have to say that I agree with wmi. If these punks were not hunters (daycare incident), they should not even look at changing the hunting regulations. One of the major problems is that the parents, schools and society do very little to nothing with the youth as far as discipline and consequences until AFTER they have have done a very stupid act that did or could have seriously injured or killed a person. Even then, they place some of the blame on the current rules and regulations and not 100% of the responsibility on those who did the stupid act. Most kids today have very little responsibility and are not taught how to make correct decisions.
I grew up on a farm. Dad always taught us safety first, last and always and to think things through (this was carried over to hunting, firearms, driving, basically everything). When dad knew we could be trusted and after we had demonstrated good judgements, we were allowed to work by ourselves. I think I was about 11 or 12 years old when I was able to drive the tractor to the field by myself and work the field without supervision. I might be about 7 miles from home, and these were narrow country roads with a 4WD tractor and a 27 foot to 50 foot implement. Sometimes mom would drive by to make sure everything was okay. Neither my brother nor I had a close call.
I have hunted deer with rifles and slug guns (fully rifled and smooth bore). For a fully rifled slug gun I prefer to stay below 125 yards but will go out to 150 yards if the weather conditions and the shot opportunity are right. A slug is really prone to wind drift.
On the PETA issue, did you hear that they want ice cream to be made from human milk and not milk from a cow? PETA says that milking a cow is painful to the cow, we are depriving the calf of it's mothers milk and the cows are constantly pregnant so they will continue producing milk. Yep, PETA has all of those "facts" totally wrong too.
Amazing how PETA is concerned about cows, but they are not concerned about all the babies that are aborted each year (and the mothers who had the abortion). Statistics have shown that almost all of the mothers who had an abortion will have a mental problem later in life as a result.
good points. and, i think i will be getting a mossberg 535 ats combo, instead. it seems to make more sense to me.
I ended up getting the 870 super mag combo. Im 15 and shoot 3,5'' win. supreme turkey loads. All you "vets" who cringe at 3.5''s either have a STEEL recoil pad, shoot 5 lb. guns, or are very tender.
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