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02-01-2011 01:20 PM
Steve Luch It's highly unfortunate when these accidents and tragedies happen, such as the ones that led to the recalls and safety issues that have been named. And in no way am I saying that the manufacturers aren't at fault when something is faulty with a firearm that bears their name.

But we're talking about deadly weapons made by the hand of man. Mistakes, accidents, and tragedies are going to happen in this business. When we all took the safety course, the "Ten Commandments" of firearms safety weren't on the front page to be cute or clever. They're on the front page to remind us that the hand of man fails, and even when you think something's not possible, it's still very possible ... including the discharge of a weapon when the safety is on and your finger is no where near the trigger.

As I said, it's unfortunate and tragic, but it happens, and the company is not excused. Hopefully, we all learn from it, including manufacturers, and take precautions in our own ways to ensure this never happens.

That all being said, I'd have to agree with those who say that Remington is pretty good at owning up to their mistakes/flaws/malfunctions of their weapons and putting it on their websites for all to see. I'm a believer that any owner of a firearm owes it to himself and his family to check periodically for recalls/defects for the weapons he owns. God bless.
02-01-2011 09:44 AM
turner
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That's the best part of a forum like this, each of us is entitle to our opinion.

At this point in time, I think I'll stick with the last sentence of my last post.
Enough said. I said enough in my first post.
Fair enough!
01-31-2011 11:28 PM
rdrader2002
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These are the first two rules practiced by all safe gun handlers. I do think, perhaps you've missed some of the point as to safety regarding a defective "safety". Suppose the shooter next to you at the local range is not so experienced and careful as you are. Suppose the shooter three over to your left is not. Are you willing to simply remain up on your soapbox and say that they should always keep their rifle pointed in the proper direction, even if you don't know them from Adam?

Would it matter to you if an AD occurred due to a defective safety and your Father, Brother, Mother, Sister, Brother, Daughter, (well, you get the idea) was shot because someone else failed to be as diligent as you are? There can be very wide reaching consequences to any AD that we should not simply say "keep the gun pointed in a proper direction" to and then feel fine about it.
That's the best part of a forum like this, each of us is entitle to our opinion.

At this point in time, I think I'll stick with the last sentence of my last post.
Enough said. I said enough in my first post.
01-31-2011 11:55 AM
BruceBruce1959
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Again, the M710 has absolutely nothing to do with the original subject, the M700 safety and it's related problems.
Turner, the M700 is the model taking the brunt of Remingtons faulty safety features, However,,,, the Model 710 has also been recalled for safety related issues and anyone who owns a Remington model 710 should also check to see if their rifle is one of the ones being recalled.

AKA_Hunter2002, I'm not sure about the model 770 but if you have any concerns you should call Remington directly with any questions you may have regarding your model 770.

Corporate Headquarters
Remington Arms Company, Inc.
870 Remington Drive
P.O. Box 700
Madison, NC 27025-0700
TEL: 1-800-243-9700

Consumer Services / Parts & Service
TEL: 1-800-243-9700
01-31-2011 11:14 AM
turner
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The Remington Model 710 isn't so innocent in failed safety systems and anyone who has one should check and make sure theirs is safe to use as well....
Even if you purchased your model 710 in 2010 or any other time,, you should still check because it may have been manufactured during the recall dates...


"Remington Arms Company, Inc. is voluntarily recalling a limited number of Model 710 bolt-action rifles as a result of its discovery, during routine test firing, that some Model 710 rifles manufactured between July and October 2002 may have been assembled with an improperly made "Safety Detent Spring." Although unlikely, there is a possibility that the manual safety arm mechanism in such a rifle could fail to fully return to the "safe" or "on" position."

Here's a link to the Remington's model 710 safety check. <-click to check
Again, the M710 has absolutely nothing to do with the original subject, the M700 safety and it's related problems.
01-31-2011 11:13 AM
turner
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Originally Posted by rdrader2002 View Post
From the article mentioned in the previous post --

"Two major rules of gun safety were omitted from the story, and were broken in the incident:

1) Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction.
2) Never depend on the safety."

Enough said on the subject! (said enough in my previous post)
These are the first two rules practiced by all safe gun handlers. I do think, perhaps you've missed some of the point as to safety regarding a defective "safety". Suppose the shooter next to you at the local range is not so experienced and careful as you are. Suppose the shooter three over to your left is not. Are you willing to simply remain up on your soapbox and say that they should always keep their rifle pointed in the proper direction, even if you don't know them from Adam?

Would it matter to you if an AD occurred due to a defective safety and your Father, Brother, Mother, Sister, Brother, Daughter, (well, you get the idea) was shot because someone else failed to be as diligent as you are? There can be very wide reaching consequences to any AD that we should not simply say "keep the gun pointed in a proper direction" to and then feel fine about it.
01-30-2011 05:50 PM
aka_hunter2002 was the 770 a part of this
01-30-2011 06:40 AM
BruceBruce1959
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I've seen the NBC show and done a good bit of research myself on the subject. The Rem M710 has nothing to do with the subject, by the way.
The Remington Model 710 isn't so innocent in failed safety systems and anyone who has one should check and make sure theirs is safe to use as well....
Even if you purchased your model 710 in 2010 or any other time,, you should still check because it may have been manufactured during the recall dates...


"Remington Arms Company, Inc. is voluntarily recalling a limited number of Model 710 bolt-action rifles as a result of its discovery, during routine test firing, that some Model 710 rifles manufactured between July and October 2002 may have been assembled with an improperly made "Safety Detent Spring." Although unlikely, there is a possibility that the manual safety arm mechanism in such a rifle could fail to fully return to the "safe" or "on" position."


Here's a link to the Remington's model 710 safety check. <-click to check
01-29-2011 05:25 PM
rdrader2002 From the article mentioned in the previous post --

"Two major rules of gun safety were omitted from the story, and were broken in the incident:

1) Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction.
2) Never depend on the safety."

Enough said on the subject! (said enough in my previous post)
01-29-2011 11:58 AM
turner I've seen the NBC show and done a good bit of research myself on the subject. The Rem M710 has nothing to do with the subject, by the way. For those of you who may not know, the Rem 700, 600 & 660 were/are the models most affected by the "defect". Also, for those who may not know the fire control system used to work in a very different manner, when it was first produced in the new (1962) M700 and the Models 600 & 660, made in the 1960s as well.

The big difference? The rifle could NOT be unloaded with the safety in the SAFE position as it can now (fire system modified in the early '80s). This meant (means) that rifles of that era had to be both loaded and unloaded with the safety in the FIRE position. The rifle could not be unloaded with the safety left on SAFE as this locks the bolt closed. The problem identified in some rifles was that it (they) would fire, unexpectedly, simply by placing the safety into the FIRE position. Think about that for a moment.

The Models 600 & 660 had a full recall issued and production was ultimately halted on those rifles in the early '70s. The recall is still in effect and Remington will still modify those fire control systems for free if you return the rifle to Remington. The reason I know this is because I owned a M660 that had an AD (accidental discharge). The consequence? Nada, because it was pointed towards the ground and went off, firing into the ground. This rifle was being handled by the safest hunter I know, my Father.

He finished unloading it, handed it to me and never touched that rifle again. I did some research, identified the defect and sent the rifle to Remington who then fixed it for free. Many Model 600s & 660s were identified as having this problem/defect. They use(d) the same fire control system as the M700.

The change to the fire control system that allows the gun to be loaded and unloaded with the safety in the SAFE position means that millions of rifles, manufactured over the last 25+ years no longer need to be held loaded and then the safety moved to FIRE every time the rifle was used or even simply loaded. This difference is staggering and allows much safer handling, defect or no defect, obviously.

Here's another article that might be of some interest to some. Page one here is something of a re-hash of the NBC show's content. However page two here has some very interesting information that those interested in understanding the idea there may be a serious problem should most certainly read (note the date this article originally ran!):

Hunting and Shooting - CBS News Targets Remington Model 700 rifle as Having a Defective Safety
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