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post #31 of 42 (permalink) Old 07-04-2011, 01:12 PM
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I read the book as well and remember it. The writer at the time did have some good info but now days, his work is often questions and shown to be inaccurate.

A darn good book though, i loved all the pictures.
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post #32 of 42 (permalink) Old 07-04-2011, 01:13 PM
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CVA Mountain rifle, CVA Hawken, these were 2 of their best sellers in the traditional market. Nothing wrong with them at all, except for that orange stain they used!
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FG just told me about that barrel. I can't believe I never ran across it before. I thought I had all the Hawken books. My interest has always been the fur trade era of pre 1840. Was this a later barrel they tried?

It's hard to stay up on all Hawken guns, because they were all different.

Yes, I am that old. Sam was a good buddy.
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post #34 of 42 (permalink) Old 07-04-2011, 01:16 PM
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Questioned by who? I hope not Muley! I can't think of another writer who put more time and effort to examine/report and debunk myths regarding the Hawken Rifles.
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FG the message was about quality not specific models. Lyman builds a fine mass produced Hawken/plains rifle way better than anything CVA ever produced in that style. You keep trying but come up empty. TC's Penn Hunter once again showed TC's quality in producing a really great ML and used some nice walnut something CVA didn't do very much of.
Lyman doesn't build any guns. They're made by an Italian company Interarms. They also make guns for Cabelas. I bought one of those Lyman Hawken guns, and sent it back it had so many problems. Others have done the same thing. Quality has gone downhill lately. Sort of like TC.
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FG I'm well aware of those two models of CVA they weren't even close to TC quality. They were at best a poor man's budget compromise purchase that would allow him/her to get into the ML hunting world. Please don't tell me they were high quality rifles, my stomach is turning now. Whats the used price market value between the two? About $100.00. If I sat 10 used TC Hawkens on a table and 10 used CVA hawkens on another table and allowed ten people to choose just one, I would bet the result would be 8 TC to 2 CVA again just an opinion form a TC kind of guy!
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one of their weakest areas " lyman" is their stocks. They either crack by the tang or at the toe of the stock. Warranty doesnt cover them either. I don't understand why they only come with a 1 year warranty.

My dad has a cabelas hawken and thats a good shootin mofro! 90gr 3f goex and a 250gr Thor shoots awesome in it. He prefers his Apex though LOL.
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Heading out to the pool to cool off! I'm sure we'll continue our nice discussion later.
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Ok but leave the g string in the dresser! No one wants to see them pale white cottage cheese lookin cheeks LOL
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post #40 of 42 (permalink) Old 07-04-2011, 01:39 PM
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HM....I'll give you the TC sidelocks. They're good guns, but still have faults.

I'm not sure what weird human form designed the Renegade stock, but there was a long thread on another forum about the Renegade stock banging their cheek. Mine was awful for me.

Other than that. It was a fine shooting gun with a good lock and trigger.

It's the only other TC i've owned besides the Omega.

Neither impressed me like the little Wolf I have now. Which i'm sure is going to put elk in my freezer in the future.
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