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ducksoup 06-13-2012 05:07 PM

Barnes TMX vs. Hornady GMX?
I'm sure it's been asked before but I didn't see anything when I did a search. I'm trying to by proactive and believe it's inevitable that Washington state will eventually go to lead free bullets for big game. I shoot a .243 a .260 and a 7mm-08 and would like to hear peoples experiance with either the Barnes TMX or the Hornady GMX or both of these bullets or really any other lead free bullets that might be out there.

WisconsinDeer 06-13-2012 05:57 PM

I haven't tried the Barnes TSX or Hornady GMX, but I do use the Barnes Expander bullets in my muzzleloader. Those things really do expand like you see in the pictures and they have nearly 100% weight retention. Great bullets.

daddus1 06-13-2012 06:24 PM

Yep same here!

Karl.Luhr 06-13-2012 06:54 PM

Hopefully not all States will go lead-free
I understand the reasoning behind lead-free for waterfowl hunting, but I have a larger problem understanding the problem with lead in Deer hunting bullets. I read that the CA DNR is worried that Condors will get lead from big game gutpiles. Ok, we don't have Condors in MN. From what I have read the non-lead bullets then to cause higher pressures. Also the pricepoint of lead-free bullets is higher than conventional core bullets. The price of bullets is already way up, I would rather they not continue to climb.


ducksoup 06-14-2012 12:55 PM

I've heard that the EPA has discussed banning lead bullets on any federal land. That would include national forests and any BLM land. They've already done it to upland bird hunters not just water fowlers. They are requireing lead free shot for any federal land. Here in Washington we have a lot of land on both the Columbia and Snake rivers that are managed by the Army Corp of Engineers and all bird hunting requires lead free shot.

Karl.Luhr 06-14-2012 06:30 PM

I currently don't use lead-free shot in my shotguns...
I have only gone duck hunting once and that was a long time ago. The lead ban was not inforce where I was hunting at the time. I have a Remington 3200 o/u in 12ga that while certified for lead-free steel shot had one round of steel fired in each barrel. I can still see faint scratches in the barrels. I am not a fan of anything that hard on my shotguns. I know that the newer replacements for steel are softer and not as nasty. I also know they cost out the butt price-wise. I love quail and pheasent hunting, I hope that lead-free isn't mandated for those birds. If one of the big manufactures figured out a dirt cheap friendly replacement for lead that was non-toxic, and sold for the same price as lead I would be less concerned if made to switch over to lead-free.


onehorse 06-14-2012 07:41 PM

I'm not sure what the discussion is here: how we feel about the possible banning of lead bullets, or the performance of copper bullets, so I'll answer both. For my part, I don't have a problem with banning lead. In any form, it's pretty detrimental to the environment... as well as humans.
As for performance, I have used the Hornady GMX (which is not made of pure copper, but gilding metal which is a little harder) and the Barnes TSX and TTSX - very close to the TMX functionally. All these bullets have been very accurate in all my rifles (as accurate as lead, for sure) and the TTSX has been very bad news for a couple of nice Montana bucks. Everyone that I know who has used copper like it. It's not mandatory here, but they still are isung it.

Karl.Luhr 06-14-2012 11:54 PM

The solid copper TSX bullets weights on Deer
Did you stay with the same weight bullet in the solid alloy bullets or did you go down one weight size? I personally use 165gr in 30 cal in my 30-06s. Should I then plan on going down to 150gr bullets in 30 cal for my 30-06s if I was looking for a similar length bullet with similar performance on game?


ducksoup 06-15-2012 01:36 PM

onehorse, any problems with copper fouling with the Barnes?

onehorse 06-15-2012 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by ducksoup (Post 70434)
onehorse, any problems with copper fouling with the Barnes?

No. I use several solvents, but the most aggressive - that cleans out everything - is Sweet's 7.62. If you use it, be sure not to leave it in your barrel longer than directed, wipe it it all out and BE SURE to run a swab with a little oil on it through your barrel when you are through cleaning.

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