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Old 04-13-2012, 03:01 PM
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Besides mtn hunting & youth models I like a rifle with some beef at least 7pnds.Why do whitetail hunters want rifles that are hard to shoot offhand and punish you when you shoot them.The worse rifle i ever owned was a Kimber 7mm/08 it was 5.5 pnds.Shot and handled terrible.If you look back at the classic rifles Win 70,Rem 700,Savage 110,Sav 99 all had a little beef.I want a rifle no lighter than 7pnds.I think alot newbies need to be educated on this.I just dont get it for hunting whitetails. You will always shoot a heavier rifle better offhand if you dont blieve me try two of your guns and find out.
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:52 PM
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I walk up and down A LOT of hills in my area and it really sucks to lug around an 8lb+ rifle. This is why I like my Ruger 77/44, it's a short lightweight carbine. The gun itself weighs 5.25lbs + a Leupold 2-7x33 scope + steel Ruger rings so it's around 6.25lbs loaded.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:04 PM
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Default 99.9% of the time you are just carrying your rifle

The reason for the movement toward lighter rifles is that shooters realize that all most all of the time with a rifle is carrying it. I agree with you that firing standard cartridges 270, 308, 30-06 in something less than 7 pounds is not alot of fun. My Win 70 Featherweight in 30-06 with a laminated factory stock weighed ~7 pounds then I added a Leopold 1.5x5 VXIII and a nylon 1 1/4 sling. I think the current weight must be around 7 3/4 pounds. This rifle doesn't kick hard in my opinion. My brother in laws Ruger Ultra Light M77 in 30-06 started at 6 pounds, adding a Leopold 2.5x8 VXIII and a leather sling still has it ~7 pounds. The 3/4 pounds does make a large difference when you shoot the two rifles. I think that the Ruger American is listed at 6.5 pounds adding a scope and sling should make it into the weights where recoil will not be punishing. I would recommend reloads on the light side and bullets using 150gr instead of 165 or 180.

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Old 04-13-2012, 04:55 PM
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The biggest thing is today's shooters are no where near in the same physical condition hunters were back in the 40-60's. Sorry but it's a fact. We sit behind computers don't exercise very well and complain a lot. I just don't see the argument with the weight carrying advantage of a 6.5 lb rifle package over a 8 lb one. I've hunted Colorado, and PA and Southern Ohio so I have at least some experience in Mountains and up and down terrain and never thought my gun was too heavy. In fact the Savage 99 is just about the best deer rifle I've ever hunted with. If I wanted a light weight rifle it would have to be something like a 22 hornet, 260 rem, 222 rem, 223 as the caliber recoil matches the light weight rifle. Just my humble opinion.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:58 PM
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My CZ in 30.06 weighs 8 lbs before the rings,bases and scope. I use it stand hunting in NC with 165 gr cartridges. I am 6 ft and 245 lbs. I don't notice the recoil and have no problems carrying it. I also use it in my home state in NY and after going up and down the mountain I still don't mind it on my shoulder.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:51 PM
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The biggest thing is today's shooters are no where near in the same physical condition hunters were back in the 40-60's. Sorry but it's a fact. We sit behind computers don't exercise very well and complain a lot. I just don't see the argument with the weight carrying advantage of a 6.5 lb rifle package over a 8 lb one. I've hunted Colorado, and PA and Southern Ohio so I have at least some experience in Mountains and up and down terrain and never thought my gun was too heavy. In fact the Savage 99 is just about the best deer rifle I've ever hunted with. If I wanted a light weight rifle it would have to be something like a 22 hornet, 260 rem, 222 rem, 223 as the caliber recoil matches the light weight rifle. Just my humble opinion.
Amen we can all learn alot from Hm.You may not like this post but this is the truth.There are no benefits if you can walk ten miles you arent gonna notice the extra 2 pnds.A long time ago i learned to just listen to the old woods real hunters rather than the so called experts.
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The other issue is that so many of these rifles sold today are either safe-queens or range-queens. In the field, shooting at live game in the moment, I have never felt the recoil of my rifle. I'm just too jazzed to be out hunting and having an opportunity for some game. But take the same rifle to the range and try to sight in a scope with 20-40 rounds from a .30-06.... even that is punishing, let alone these .300 WinMags or super-short magnums everyone is hyped on. We spend too much time at the the range, and that develops a flinch in people who expect that kind of recoil.

Take them out in the field, and shoot at game sized targets in game hunting situations and the recoil isn't so much apparent. But a super-light rifle at the range becomes punishing.
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:57 AM
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I think it is kind of funny. My .270 is short and everyone who handles it says, "wow this is so small and light". However it weighs 8.4 pounds with scope and sling. It must be a psychological thing. I find it to be pleasing to carry and shoot. With 140 grain rounds, the recoil is about like my .243.
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Old 04-29-2012, 05:32 PM
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Come clean for us. We know it's a 270 Win, what is the action type(probibly bolt), what is the Manufacturer, what model, and what is the barrel length now. I also like short rifles that have some mass to them.

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Old 05-01-2012, 07:16 PM
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Come clean for us. We know it's a 270 Win, what is the action type(probibly bolt), what is the Manufacturer, what model, and what is the barrel length now. I also like short rifles that have some mass to them.

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It is a Rossi Wizard with a 23" barrel. The over-all is only 38.5" though. The break action makes it short. The recoil pad helps tame down the felt kick as well. It is the same idea as the TC Encore, but with the more traditional break design.

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