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Old 12-10-2011, 10:44 PM
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My Christmas gift this year from my family is a riffle. I have already decided on the rifle I am going to get. It is a Rossi Wizard. This is similar to a Thompson Center as it is a break action that you can buy different barrels for. I'm a sucker for single shots. Now I just need to decide on the calibers. I want a caliber for shooting deer under 75 yards as that is what 90% of my hunting is. Then I also want a long range caliber for Deer and Black bear. For the short range I am torn between the 45-70, 357 magnum and the .243. I like the .357 and .243 because they are lower energy, very common ammo and I already have guns in those calibers. However I find the 45-70 is just plain cool. For long range I am torn between the .270 and 30-06. I like the .270 better but the 30-06 is more common ammo.

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Old 12-11-2011, 08:28 AM
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I can imagine the recoil will be a bit stout. I don't know the cost involved but is there anyway to look at used rifles in the same price range that would fit your needs? I'd stay away from the 357 and the 243 if you are going after any bears.
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:57 AM
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I hadn't given much thought about the recoil of the 45-70. It probably would be stout. I wouldn't use the smaller calibers for bear, just whitetail deer. The reason that I want a lower energy round is that my whitetail hunting is from a stand and it is heavily treed so my shots are always close. I just don't see the need to use such a powerful round at less then 75 yards. So far I have used a toned down muzzle loader, a shot gun and a .243. My bear hunting though is on public land and I am shooting 200 to 300 yards. So I have decided to get two separate barrels. I just haven't decided on the calibers.
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:26 PM
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for short range 100yds or less for deer or bear a 30-30 barrel would work great. IMO for the longer ranges a 270 barrel would be nice and will work for deer and bear
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considering your selection of barrels and the game you mentioned, I am with Hunting Man 100% on what to stay away from. I would select the .270 to cover everything and then some.
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if 90% of your hunting is under 75 yards then I would probably go for a .30-30 caliber especially if you'll be filling bear tags as well.
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Old 12-12-2011, 03:24 PM
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My Christmas gift this year from my family is a riffle. I have already decided on the rifle I am going to get. It is a Rossi Wizard. This is similar to a Thompson Center as it is a break action that you can buy different barrels for. I'm a sucker for single shots. Now I just need to decide on the calibers. I want a caliber for shooting deer under 75 yards as that is what 90% of my hunting is. Then I also want a long range caliber for Deer and Black bear. For the short range I am torn between the 45-70, 357 magnum and the .243. I like the .357 and .243 because they are lower energy, very common ammo and I already have guns in those calibers. However I find the 45-70 is just plain cool. For long range I am torn between the .270 and 30-06. I like the .270 better but the 30-06 is more common ammo.


There is no comparison between the .357 mag, .243 & 45-70. Fo close cover clout, there is no substitution for frontal area. Simply pick up a .243 cartridge, a .357 cartridge & a 45-70 cartridge all at once in your hand and then ask your self which you'd rather have when you track the bear that ran off after the shot and then look in a mirror. You'll have your answer quick enough. I own two 45-70s, 2 .450s and a slew of other mediums too. They are not the monsters most make them out to be. My last buck I took two weeks ago was with a .450 Marlin shooting 350gr @ 2150 FPS. Bang/Flop.

At the ranges you are talking for the short-range barrel, standard factory ammo in 405gr @ 1300 FPS or 300gr @ 1800 FPS will do a bang-up job for you with minimal recoil. If you want more horsepower from the 45-70, get some loads with a 400gr @ 1800 FPS if you want ($25/box). It will recoil stoutly, however. I shoot a 325gr bullet at 2150 FPS in my Ruger #1 45-70 and it's not bad at all (that's the LeverEvolution ammo) and a 400gr @ 1800 FPS in my Marlin 45-70.

I'd think the 45-70 to be an absolutely great choice for you and that rifle for your short range desires. As for a long-range cartridge for deer & bear, between the .270 & '06, I'd choose the larger frontal area and heavier bullets of the '06 for bear, again hands down. The ammo choices and availability for either the .270 or '06 are numerous and no problem finding either anywhere they sell ammo.

Good luck and enjoy that nice new rifle when you get it!!
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Old 12-12-2011, 03:42 PM
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Having one rifle presents some problems when multiple game will be pursued at varing distances. After reading all the input, I would be leaning for a 270 win. The 270 will take down everything on your list with great results and as stated ammo is everywhere. Good luck in shopping and future hunting!
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Old 12-12-2011, 05:03 PM
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Default Sounds like you need to start reloading your own....

I would recommend that you start reloading your own rifle ammo after buying your rifle in either 270 or 30-06. One of the great beauties of reloading is that you can take a powerful cartridge and download it into something totally different. The light loads in say 30-06 are basically a 30-30 ballistically. When you need power for say Black Bear you have it with full power loads. Again either the 270 or 30-06 can take Black Bears after you have selected the correct bullet for the animal. I find the reloading side in my gunroom as much fun as the shooting side at the range. It is still fun at -10 degrees in Jan/Feb.

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Old 12-12-2011, 07:41 PM
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I have kill all the bear I have taken with a 30-06 and 7mm-08. These have been one shot kills and a 400 pound bear dropped by my 7mm-08 Custom Sako Shilen barrel with a 140gr Partition at 45 yards. You don't need a cannon like a 45/70 especially in the rifle you are talking about buying (which will really recoil more than you probably imagine), to kill a black bear. I in fact they die fairly easy. I have killed them with a 140gr Accubond in a 7mm-08.
Well, if memory serves me... you were here a few months ago talking big about the .358 Win. I'm also VERY familiar with the .358 and have actually taken game with it. Have You? I also will say, unequivocally, that a stoutly loaded .358 Win will recoil at least as much as a 45-70 such as I've mentioned. I've shot both, A LOT!

Have you ever shot a 45-70? A .450? A 9.3x62? Have you ever even owned one? I've killed big game with well over 20 different chamberings. You?... This post edited here to tone down the post, trying to prevent it's sounding like a rant... Giving an opinion is fine, Mr. CirucitRider, but boldly claiming against someone else's is cause for challenge. Well?

Your .358 is now gone and your 7/08 is NOW the bomb??

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