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TxMulie10 10-25-2011 12:50 PM

Help chosing a new deer rifle?
 
I have a 243 and a 30.06 and love them both and have killed deer with both of them but i am wanting something a litttle bigger that can rach out a little further and doesnt lose alot of muzzle energy. im looking at a 300 win mag, 300wbymag, 7mm rem mag, or 300wsm. Ive never ventured into anyof theses guns, so i dont know alot about them so any help and comments are welcomed!

Hunting Man 10-25-2011 02:02 PM

unless you are going for elk then the 300wm should be off the list. You might look at a 270 WM. The 300 win and 30-06 to me are too close to say you are getting a whole lot more in the 300 to go out and purchase one.

gawith0413 10-25-2011 02:36 PM

I just got a Winchester M70 Sporter 7mm rem mag and I love it. The kick is nice and smooth and it is crazy accurate. A buddy of mine hunts with a Remington 700 7mm rem mag and loves it also (I've shot it, it is very nice). My gun might end up being a little bit more accurate, but nothing crazy different. If you decide to go the 7mm rem mag route, go with a wood stock, syth is not bad, but the wood is very nice. Good luck!!! :w00t:

turner 10-25-2011 02:56 PM

Now there's a way to open up a nice can of worms...:wink: Lots of opinions from lots of people on this type subject. First off, if you are simply looking for a new flat-shooting rifle for deer-sized game, then I'd agree that you likely do not need to move up to the .300 mags. There are a couple of flat shooters that will still stay reasonable in recoil, but allow you a bit more flat trajectory.

First one I'd mention would be the 6.5/.284, a newly SAMMId wildcat that is all the rage for long range target shooting, but is also an awesome long range hunting number too. Bullets are readily available from about 110gr to 160gr with 120-140gr being the most typical hunting weights. You can shoot a 120gr TSX, 125gr NP, 130gr Accubond or a 140 Nosler Partition (lots of others available too). All loads with good bullets in these weight classes will fly very flat and my experience with it's ballistic twin (6.5 RM) is that it's recoil is relatively mild. I'd recommend this cartridge to someone wanting to do their own reloading.

To my shoulder, and in like rifles, the 6.5/.284 recoils like a 165gr/.308 while providing 3100+ FPS with 120s and 2900+ FPS with 140s and all with excellent SDs. Next up for deer-sized game again would be the .270 WSM. Housed in a S/A (of course), it may end up being a tad more compact than some .270 Win rifles, while providing an extra 200+ FPS to typical .270 Win loads. Again, this is still a relatively mild recoiler and I find it no problem at all at the bench, similar to .308 or 30/06 shooting 180s, I'd say. This is an excellent, flat shooting number!

Now, if you're thinking game bigger than deer, then the .300 mags have a definite up-side. If you are not, they will still get the job done, and done very well, but will recoil a bit more than need be(?). I've owned two different .300SMs and collected deer with both. Neither buck was particularly far away, with one on either side of 100 yards, but boy they put a whoopin' on those deer, dropping both in their tracks (something that makes me smile). So, I could hardly argue with why someone would want to use a .300 mag as in my experience they work very very well. Personally, I'd prefer a .300 SM (or .270WSM) to a full length 7mm RM, as the rifle will be a bit more compact and recoil about the same in similar bullet weights (at least to my shoulder)

Good Luck!

gawith0413 10-25-2011 03:10 PM

Yeah, The full length 7mm mag is a little on the long size, but if your going to just sit in a stand or blind it's not a problem. Mine has a 26' barrel.

gawith0413 10-25-2011 03:13 PM

Also, like me I hunt whitetail with a low grain bullet, so I don't destroy the meat (also a good shot will help with this), but still knock the deer down instantly!

TxMulie10 10-25-2011 03:52 PM

Thanks for all the comments. My dad and I hunt whitetail and muledeer but the majority of it beig mulie. We both shoot 180 grain bulletts out of 30.06s and i shoot 100grain out of my 243 and have killed the majority of my deer with my 243. With that being said the mule deer i killed last year field dressed 260lbs so he was a big boy and i dropped him with my 243. But i want to start getting into bigger game such as elk and i know i will need a little more knock down power. but if i go to higher grain bullet in my 30.06, should i even buy anew or will my 30.06 have enough power to drop one?

gawith0413 10-25-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TxMulie10 (Post 61518)
Thanks for all the comments. My dad and I hunt whitetail and muledeer but the majority of it beig mulie. We both shoot 180 grain bulletts out of 30.06s and i shoot 100grain out of my 243 and have killed the majority of my deer with my 243. With that being said the mule deer i killed last year field dressed 260lbs so he was a big boy and i dropped him with my 243. But i want to start getting into bigger game such as elk and i know i will need a little more knock down power. but if i go to higher grain bullet in my 30.06, should i even buy anew or will my 30.06 have enough power to drop one?


A 30-06 will do the job, its just a bigger caliber will give you more wiggle room for error.

Hunting Man 10-25-2011 06:06 PM

For me the 180gr in a 30-06 is not my most favorable grain weight bullet. For many years I used only the 150 gr. Nowadays, I think I would move up to the 165gr. I rarely shoot the 30-06's anymore and it's a shame because it will harvest most game without problems. I do have about 3-4 full factory boxes of 180gr 30-06, Dad like them, that I would be willing to sell if anyone is interested, just pm me and we'll work something out.

Karl.Luhr 10-25-2011 06:19 PM

Your 30-06 maybe all you need....
 
Have you considered just trying the new Hornady Superformance ammo or hotter handloads. The new high performance loads are very close to the same velocity and energy of the 300 Win mag. I would only be looking at this route if you have a 30-06 that is setup for long range with a good trigger and quality scope. I know that the default loadings for the 30-06 are very conservative, there is alot of headroom available with reloading.

Karl


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