advise on bolt action rifle
It'll be my first time buying and hunting.
I'm looking to buy a bolt action rifle for big game deer hunting. Came across the remington 770 for 299.99, and was wondering if anyone have experiance with the 770. Thinking about .300 mag or 30-60 on a 24" barrel. Which one do you guy's think will be more suitable for the deer hunting rifle?
300 or 3006
You can use both cal for deer. I would go with the 06, cheaper price for amo than mag amo, 06 has been doing the job on deer for over a hundred yrs. As far as a rem 770 go'es check out other makes in that price range.
Mossberg, savage, They all have combo units for sale too.
Of the two cartridges, I'd vote for the 30/06 as a deer-specific cartridge. The .300 will, of course, do the job, but the added power over an '06 is not needed for deer. For someone new to the sport, the added range should not really be a consideration either. Being familiar with your '06 and it's trajectory will allow a hunter to cleanly harvest deer to 400+ yards and it takes a practiced shot to be confident and capable of that task.
As far as the platform you've mentioned, I am not a fan of that rifle. I think that for slightly more money, there are better platforms out there. The Rem 700s and Model Sevens may be excellent rifles, but the 770 has exactly zero in common with either of those fine actions/rifles.
Marlin produces a rifle in that same price range, the XS7 that has garnered lots of good reviews. The Howa 1500 can be found for slightly more if you search around and I feel it a much better platform. The Mossberg ATR 100 would also be a better choice. Not everyone likes the same rifles, but buying simply for "maker" and price might not be the best idea in this case, IMHO.
There are also a whole lot of quality used rifles in that price range that I would also recommend above the 770. The Rem M700, older post '64 M70s and any number of Ruger M77s & Savage 110s in their various renditions would all make a very good choice for someone. The '06 is not hard to find in any of those models.
Best of luck with whatever you choose and do not forget to get a quality scope for on top as well!! :thumbup:
Just do not get a Remington 770...Check out a Howa 1500, Weatherby Vanguard (same rifle, different name), Marlin X7, Stevens 200, Savage 111 or an older used rifle in that price range.
Pass on the 710 or 770 Remingtons
I am not against Remington, they make fine rifles and ammo. This series of rifles the 710/770 line are garbage. I am sorry if anyone that owns them is offended by my opinion. Remington makes the model 700 SPS rifles that are great just a cheaper version of their regular model 700. The 710/770 series were made to offer an entry rifle at the bottom pricepoint and they should have avoided that pricepoint all together. As a consumer you have much better choices, I also recommend the Marlin XL7 or XS7 rifles. These are available for just under 300.xx and are far superior to the 710/770 Remingtons. Other posters have also suggested Savages, Mossbergs, and the entry level Kowas by Weatherby. There was a recent article in I think Guns and Ammo that compaired 18 bolt action entry level rifles. Six different rifles with 3 examples of each one were tested. All the testers agreed they would be happy with 4 of the 6. The two they didn't recommend were the Remington 770s and the new entry level Savage. They did recommend the regular Remingtons and Savages just to stay away from their bottom level model offering.
Sorry I ment Howas by Weatherby
I had spotting scopes on the brain, its Howa that makes the entry level Weatherby not Kowa. Kowa is an optics company...
My suggestion on caliber and barrel length
Some shooters/hunters really like magnums. If you have a need for them, shots at really long distances on tough animals they are perfect. Most of us that shoot/hunt don't shoot that far, or shouldn't shoot that far. Deer are not that hard to kill cleanly. The 30-06 you are considering has been a perfect Deer cartridge for over 100 years and nothing has changed. It is easier to learn a rifle if it isn't kicking hard as you fire it, the 30-06 will kick alot less then the 300 Win mag. The price of ammo is also cheaper to stay with the standard cartridges compaired to the magnum ones. Learning a new rifle requires time at the range and the extra cost per box will add up quickly.
When looking at barrel length unless you are comparing the new compact magnums a magnum should have a barrel length of atleast 24 inches. Most standard rifles in 30-06 are equiped with a barrel of 22 inches. Two inches difference in barrel doesn't sound like much but it is noticeable when walking through the woods.
I've been doing a good deal of research on this matter and in this price range.
Savage Axis is about that price range or less. It has a heavy trigger, but from what I've read, a good gunsmith can make it into a 3lbs trigger for a couple dollars in parts. It has had very good reviews, out of the box and can be a 200-400 yard rifle. They do sell replacement triggers, but they can run about $100 for a rifle that's maybe $260.
Savage 111 series has the Accu-Trigger and some (all?) have the Accu-Stock. The trigger is well regarded and can help with accuracy. The stock has had mixed reviews, especially if you want to replace the stock. The 110s should have the Accu-trigger, but not accu-stock. The nomenclature for the Savage rifles can be found online, to help you understand the difference between a 111 FN and a 111 FXP. Savage has developed a good reputation for quality and affordability.
My buddy who is a very experienced smith and shooter told me that you can get a good Remington 700 BDL for $400 or so if you don't mind minor factory defects, like stock blemishes and scratches (those are the 700s at Walmart). The 700 is very well regarded, especially for new hunters.
I have not researched other makes/models, so the reason I wouldn't recommend another maker is my own ignorance.
I'm leaning toward the Axis. My buddy can tweak the trigger (yeah, it voids the warranty). In central Penna., I won't be shooting more than 200 yards or so, maybe 300. So, I'll put the money saved into optics and ammo.
I think others have pretty well stated the case for the 30-06, as well.
Thanks everyone. I will will in fact look around for different kind of rifles and see what the differences are. And the 30.06 cal sounds good also.
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