alright thanks. yeah i'm going to pick up a box of brown bear tomorrow after work in case i need to use it but i'm hoping i can avoid it. I'm going to place an order online for some wolf gold since the local gun place can't order any, but i'm not sure how long it will take to be delivered. Its a total pain though because Fleet Farm, which is the main place i can find anything for my mosin, carry's ammo for them but their wolf isn't the stuff for hunting. You would think that in WI they would carry ammo for hunting.