I agree that once you knock some out, other take their place, or at least it seems that way by here. I called the DNRE and they are not interested in having one tested, which suprised me. I havent shot any more, they havent been coming into my yard for a while, but I have seen them when I walk out to my tree stand, so I know that they are still around. I would say that its a decent sized pack. I thought about taking my carbine out and if I see them deer huting then I would shoot them, but I dont want to get if trouble in the warden stops out. Im sure he's heard every excuse before, and I dont want a ticket.