Karl, I agree with you on the old term brush beater. There's no such thing! However, on the grain bullet issue, I've had great results over the years using the 150 from various companies, with great accuracy! I guess if I was shooting long range out west a lot I'd look at the 165 boatails for better down range accuracy? For deer size game at ranges out to 250 yds, I don't see how the 150 gr can be bettered, especially with all the factory custom loads out today. Complete mushrooms, weight retains up to 90% or more now, sound pretty good to me! Not downing the 165 gr just don't see a need for it for most deer hunters shooting close range? I may start reloading especially now that I got that 250-3000 sav. Ammo has been less available that what I thought it would be. I see where a person can purchase a complete set-up in a neat package, any thoughts on these?