Nosler Balistic Tips/Hornady SSTs

[sir smackabuck]

I am not completely disagreeing with you . And I know all about wound channels from arrows and the animal basically bleeding out is what you want. AND i know all about hydrostatic shock from Bullets being the killer from firearms. I am just saying That IN MY OPINION, if a bullet fragments and does not hold together while passing through something as "soft" as flesh, the IN MY OPINION, it ain't doing the job that it is designed to do

Originally Posted by ronn

i don't think so, maybe. if you read my other post on ballistic tips i'm not a fan for deer size animals but the one in the pic seemed to work, the accubond ballistic tip. through and through is for arrows not bullets that kill by the shock of the cells blowing up like shooting a jug full of water.

[sir smackabuck]

Here is another way of looking at my point......Ballistic tip ammunition is a form of plastic tippedbullet, meant to confer the advantages of both Spitzer point bullet and hollow point (JHP) variant ammunition. They consist of a fairly normal hollow-point bullet, with the frontal cavity filled in by hard plastic, which is molded into a streamlined shape mimicking the shape of a Spitzer bullet. Upon impact, the plastic drives into the hollow point, or fragments into small pieces and the bullet performs like a regular hollow-point, expanding ("mushrooming") to a larger diameter. The end result is a bullet with the streamlined characteristics of Spitzer bullet and the increased terminal mushrooming of JHPs. These bullets possess the aerodynamics for longer, more accurate flights, and the in-target performance to ensure high lethality. That being said, if the tip is what is expanding and causing the bullet to mushroom then yes, you are correct because that it is what the bullet is supposed to do. If the fragmenting tip is causing the bullet to fragment then it ain't doing what it is designed to do and that is what, I assume, is happening. When the bullet is still travelling at over 3,000 fps a lot of times the bullet does not pass through, it fragments so it ain't doing the job it is meant to do......Like I said, we can agree to disagree.

I am also not saying that it happens all of the time but if I am paying for something to do a job, I expect it to do it more times than not and that has not been the case in my opinion

Originally Posted by ronn

i don't think so, maybe. if you read my other post on ballistic tips i'm not a fan for deer size animals but the one in the pic seemed to work, the accubond ballistic tip. through and through is for arrows not bullets that kill by the shock of the cells blowing up like shooting a jug full of water.

i'm don't think we disagree. thats why i'm not a fan of ballistic tips. if you read my post likening it, ballistic tips, to 1 oz of bird shot versus a 1 oz slug at 100 yards. at 3ft it would be equal. i think its like the energy dissipates in a way that is not optimum or as well as a solid mass or a mass that holds together. if a bullet passes through it leaves energy on the table, fact. I, like you i believe, would rather have a bullet hold mass and frontal area and pass through than have one that the energy is dissipated poorly by fragmenting. this is why i prefer the soft points with plenty of gun behind it. kinda a happy medium.

[huntr-]

Here's my thoughts. First of all a bullet doesn't have to pass through to do its job as long as most of the energy is absorbed by the animal. Second, any partition bullet is in essence doing the same job as aballistic tip by driving the tip into the base and expanding the shank. Third, I have harvested quite a few bucks along with two out of three bull moose with ballistic tip bullets and have never had an animal go more than twenty yards before expiring.Now I have harvested one bull moose that sucked up two barnze x bullets that both passed through and one buck at 271 yards yet both fell with in thirty yards. Bottom line is this , a well placed shot with lots of gun (as ronn said) should drop any of north americas game . I handload most all of my ammo and tune the cartridge to the animal I'm hunting.Do your homework and don't by what ever is on sale. It must group well and deliver the energy needed (and then some) and be comfortable to the shooter. Not to repeat myself , which I do often, but the bullet on the right end of the photo came from the back of the skull from a 300 lb buck that traveled from his south end to his skull at 125 yards from a 300 win mag and it held up beautifully. Finally all bullets react differently at different yardages on different size game so there is no perfect do all bullet, in my opinion.

[onehorse]

Been reading the debate/discussion on NBTs, and here is my excperience with this bullet. It kills deer as dead and as quickly as any bullet out there. It's impressive. Even bullets that are slightly off the mark have devastating results. These bullets do NOT fragment, BUT they do shed quite a bit of the jacket. On the other hand, the cores stay intact and mushroom beautifully and that's what counts. I have killed about a dozen deer and antelope with these, and to be factual here are the results of how two of these bullets performed. These were 140 gr. handloads out of a .280 Rem. with a muzzle velocity of 2759 f/s. First recovered bullet weighed 106 gr., jacket was a twisted mess, but still contected to the intact core which had mushroomed to an incredible .530 inches! The other bullet, recovered from another kill, weighed 108 gr. and had expended to .490 inches. Both animals dropped on the shot and probably hit the ground dead. Any bullet that expands to a half inch (50 caliber) inside and animal is a very lethal bullet, and the NBTs are just that!

that is impressive. what was the range to target? out of curiosity

[onehorse]

Don't remember the ranges exactly, but would guess about 150-200 yards.

[guppy11]

search high speed video of bullets on you tube and you can see the shock wave the is created by a bullet. this is what kills the quickest. bullets that pass through create less hydrostatic shock than ones that "blow up" in the vitals. the key being in the vitals and not on the bone or skin

[rdrader2002]

"Ballistic tip ammunition is a form of plastic tippedbullet, meant to confer the advantages of both Spitzer point bullet and hollow point (JHP) variant ammunition."

Used the Hornady LeverRevolution "plastic tipped" 160 grain in .30/30. Bullet went in one side of the neck, came out the other side about the size of a quarter (judging from the exit wound). Never found the round itself, but the buck took a grand total of two steps before dropping like a rock. Stepped off the distance from where I shot him to where he fell -- 52 yards. He came out from a well known trail, but far short of where I was expecting anything to show up that close to dark (well after dusk had settled).

Just my observations on the subject from the one and only time I've used the rounds. Will I use my .30/30 again with the Hornady rounds mentioned above??? Darned skippy I will. And I'll highly recommend them to anyone willing to listen -- but that's just my opinion. Ain't it great to be able to say that???

adrader2002 yes it is.

the only bt ive recovered were out of loose sand bank and the only thing i could find was bits and pieces and the round bottom/back of the bullet.