.270 for 12 year old?

its a tough call. if its too much for him it can discourage him from the shooting sports or lead to bad shooting habits. I'd spring for the 243. the 243 makes for a better varmint round anyway. you don't need a 270 for coyotes or woodchucks (ground hogs or whistle pigs for you southern folk). you can get a savage or the like for very reasonable money. besides you can't have too many guns. just my opinion

[Body Bag]

My wife said the .270 kicked too hard for her and she is a lot bigger than 85 pounds.

I shot my first 12 gauge at 12. Single shot that kicked like a mule. After that I have never had a problem shooting anything. Started hunting with my 30-06 auto at 15 and never looked back. The recoil of a .270 is about 7x that of a .223 according to
http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html

A broke clavicle from not buring the gun in your shoulder is no joke.

I spoke to a lady in the office that uses managed recoil and she has seen it work in some autos but not others. Best bet is to try it out.

[texasdad]

Ok. heres an update. The low recoil rounds will NOT work in the BAR. At least not in mine anyways. Apparently doesnt have enough pressure to cycle the rounds. The only way they'll work is to take the clip out and shoot it like a single shot. Even then it wont eject the round.

[hunt NH]

in that case im with Ronn on this one. spring for the .243.

[texasdad]

New update.. got a limbsaver recoil pad, held my breath and crossed my fingers and let my son shoot it. To my amazement, he said his .410 kicked harder. He shot it 8 times without a problem and was accurate with it. The BAR is awesome. I got the gun after my father died and he was the last one to kill a deer with it. I really wanted my son to be the next one to kill a deer with it. Kind of a sentimental thing i guess but i didnt want to hurt him either. Going hunting this weekend for youth season. Hope he gets his first deer with Grandpa's rifle!

cool bananas, good luck out there.

[kemster99]

Originally Posted by texasdad

Ok. heres an update. The low recoil rounds will NOT work in the BAR. At least not in mine anyways. Apparently doesnt have enough pressure to cycle the rounds. The only way they'll work is to take the clip out and shoot it like a single shot. Even then it wont eject the round.

just had an idea--- have seen the old browing auto shot guns not kick the low brass shells. my buddy's wouldn't. took it to a gunsmith, who totally diassembled and cleaned it. replaced one of the springs, and works just fine, now. if i remember right you said that it is an old BAR. might be worth checking into.

[onehorse]

Those Limbsavers are great pads. I have them on all my rifles. My only concern at this point is that the BAR is a pretty heavy rifle compared to some of the others out there. Will that be a problem for an 85 pound youngster? Proportionately, that would be like me carrying a 14 or 15 pound rifle. (You could do the math and figure out how much I weigh.LOL)

[texasdad]

True. It really is too heavy for him. When he shot it yesterday, he was sitting in the bed of the pickup using the bed sides as a rest. As long as he has a rest to prop it up on, which our stand does, he'll do fine. He was shooting within 1/2 inch from center at 140 yds with it. He was very confident with it and not flinchy at all.

[Body Bag]

Nice. Didn't recommend a pad because I tought it might move the scope too far out to shoot. That is a good pad