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Old 12-15-2009, 01:21 PM
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We all have our biases. The .22 has as much killing power as an arrow I would say generally. It is illegal in Arkansas so I have never used it. I know an old oil feild pumper that killed many deer, snake, etc with his .22 auto but I wouldn't recommend it.
bullets and arrows kill differently. bullets with energy and massive cellular destruction (literaly the cells explode like shooting a milk jug of water), thats why 22 is too small, and arrows kill by hemorrhaging, cutting and bleeding to death.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:44 PM
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Magnus asking the information you have from ethical deer hunters is basically an insult and thus I would take the information given from the members and move on to your next site as you have stated in one of your posts. Only a poacher uses small illegal calibers for killing. HM
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:48 PM
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I totally dissagree ! I know of many deer shot with a 22-250 and it is a very accurate cartridge. All were head shots that dropped the deer instantly at 100- 200 yards with no suffering by the deer. I've had many deer run a short distance and fall over using a 30 cal . A 22 cal does have the energy and bullet coefficient to do the job. I will say that its not for everyone and its not a lung shot type of a cartridge. So for those who think bigger is better I say try it you will be surprised. A rimfire on the other hand is not suitable.If your F&G did not think it would do it they would not allow it to begin with.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:56 PM
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anyone who would take head shot WOULD use a 22 cal.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:10 PM
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Meaning what ? I have taken over 40 deer and some with ETHICAL head shots . I am a VERY experienced marksman and would not hesitate taking a head shot with a good solid rest.I have not or ever will I ever condone poaching and for anyone to suggest that only poachers use 22 cals. is obsurd and retarded. If its LEGAL than don't knock it !!!!
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:37 PM
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no, i'm not suggesting poaching by no means as i said i know the 22.250 is used in texas on deer but that still doesn't make it the best choice nor would a 50 bmg be the best choice. I'm saying there are better shots to take. yes there are those that can take that head shot. with all the young kids on here and new hunters a head shot shouldn't be the first choice in shot placement. can a 22.250 kill a deer? yup a 40 gr at 4150 fps in the head will drop them right where they stand or blow their jaw off, or wound them in the neck, or a clean miss. highest percentage shot for a quick clean kill, taken with a caliber of sufficient energy should be the first choice every time. game playing is for cards and board games.

the 22.250 is a great round. my best shot is 510 yards on a woodchuck using the 40gr hornady moly coated v-max, cold shot. but i still wouldn't recommend it for deer hunting.

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Old 12-15-2009, 05:03 PM
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I think thats a narrow minded statement. A good clean , ethical shot is what you are good at and practice. If I can hit a 1/2'' group Consistantly at 2oo yards than that to me is an ethical shot. I aim between the ear and the eye.If we teach our kids to shoot with profficeincy and accuracy Then I believe that this is an ETHICAL SHOT ! If others teach there kids to shoot at the larger lung/heart shot then thats great too, but don't knock what I consider to be ethical. Thats what makes this country great and forums like this a place to communicate and discuss our thoughts.
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Old 12-15-2009, 05:42 PM
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come on now realistically how many shooters out of a hundred can keep a 1/2 group constantly at 200 yards? 3, maybe at most 6? heck 1/2 at hundred every time is outstanding. i got 20 bucks that says you can't shoot 5, 5 shoot groups a 1/2 inch or under at 200 yards in a hunting situation if you can you must be darn near famous. what is the difference in drop between 198 yards and 202? did you start right out shooting those type of groups? how many years of practice did it take you to get to that point? striving for perfection is commendable but expecting a new shooter to meet that standard right out of the box isn't realistic. suggesting that, that is the shot to take is irresponsible. when a shooter knows they can meet that standard then it becomes an ethical shot.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:32 PM
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To answer your question: A 22 CAN kill a deer and even larger game. When I hunted caribou in northern Quebec, I discovered that the Inuits used 22 magnums to kill caribou, but they did it by canoing right up to them while they were swimming and shooting them in the ear. Most of the guys on this site respect the deer too much to take a chance on wounding one with such a small caliber and they are right in that. And besides, none of them can paddle a canoe fast enough to catch a swimming deer! LOL
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:49 PM
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Now as far as this friendly (I hope) argument goes, I have to agree with Ronn. Sure you can kill a deer or even a larger animal with a 22 head/brain shot, but no matter how many times you can shoot those tiny groups at the range with that caliber, it's still not a good choice for a real hunting situation. Look, at the range, there aren't nearly as many variables to make things go really wrong, really quickly. And, of course, you can't wound a target! No matter how you cut it, a bigger caliber does leave a little more margin for "error" or the unexpected in that regard. I, too have seen deer that had their jaws shot off. I can't say whether the hunter who did this had taken a head shot, but again, that shot has no margin for error, and, even though I'm trying really hard NOT to, I can't finish this post without saying that caliber or that shot is not ethical, in my opinion.
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