Berk, I will be watching the responces on this one. I know gr for gr all else being equal, pellets vs loose powder should perform the same (that's the selling point for pellets) and being easier to load. Here's the kicker for me: I get dramically more felt recoil from 100 gr of 2F black powder vs 2- 50 gr pellets, this in the same rifle. I wish I had a cronograph to check fps on each load. I believe loose powder gives greater performance (and chamber pressure) over pellets. If this isn't the case, I would think bullet makers would just make 30-06, 270, ect, with a solid powder propellent inside the case. My son could shoot his Knight using 2 -50 gr pellets all day. Switching to 100 gr pyrodex or black powder and he didn't want to shoot anymore. Somewhere the volume vs grains discussion will arrive. Is two formed 50 grains (by weight) equal to 100 grs of loose powder using a vloume measurement that says 100 grs equivilent. As i said, I really will be interested in the responces. Ronn, your smokeless powder Savage is not included in this thread, wouldn't be fair comparison, that thing is in a class all by itself.