are we going to start this again?
they opposed it before one word was written because ding dong said what he wanted in the debates and the leaders in both houses stood there nodding their empty heads. so it was easy to get on the no way band wagon even before he was swore in.
the majority of the population says the cost to individual freedoms and the monetary cost is to high, there has got to be a better way thats the majority. the CBO has basically said garbage in garbage out when they looked at the numbers and these people in washington if they are good at anything its pencil whipping numbers. double counting 500 billion, leaving out the 284 million for doctor comp, and when was the last time increasing the capital gains tax raised revenue? never thats when. 2.5 trillion over the next 10 years to the national debt is closer to the real cost and thats a far cry from lowering the debt.
yes! constitutional rights are being violated! read the 9th amendment, then read the 10th, not what some body's interpretation of decisions made trough out history which blow the way the wind does. or wait maybe lets. use roe versus wade there is a modern day court case that this law will be argued on. the government has no right to tell an individual what they must do or must not do for health care. also the dr patient confidentiality is out the window because now the dr must share that with the government. so there is an other argument that this law is unconstitutional.
there are good things it this law but way too many things are wrong with it, and 2 wrongs don't make a right.
now look at the jobs situation this things is causing. how can a company absorb 1 billion in cost for the first quarter without it costing jobs? what about caterpillar and what they are saying this is going to cost them? john deere? verizon? do you think this is going to create more jobs? only in the irs. companies are already moving to canada because, even they are friendlier to business. how is it fair that the unions get a pass for 10 years? or mt gets $$ for asbestos or earth quake $$ going to hi, or ne, or la, or vt or any of the other unfair pork. oh and just how does taking over student loans fix health care? for every good thing in this law there are 5 wrong or unfair.
now what has the other side of the isle done? zip point zero to help. and thats wrong as well.
the kool aid drinkers are just blindly nodding their heads and their political careers will end up going the way of jonestown. i for one haven't tasted the kool aid, i'll just stick with tea thank-you.
there are so many arguments against this law i have a hard time keeping up with them.
this law doesn't give us rights. our rights come from the creator and no ones right to health care had been taken away prior to this law. the right was always there. now, do you have a right to health insurance? nope. thats a perversion of the right to life as you said. the problem is the cost of health care and in turn the cost of insurance because that is based on health care cost. free loaders is part of that but so is charging $7.50 for an ibuprofen in the hospital that wasn't even taken. twice a day for to days. this happened years ago when my second was born. when i asked they said because it was there if it was needed. this and things like it drive the cost. illegals drive up the cost. any time care is given and not payed for the cost goes up.
this is the way i see it going. insurance will increase do to the law that say you must have it, oh did i mention the way this administration got the insurance companies on board was to take out the parts that would have restricted what they could charge?, anyway. they will make a killing, business will dump the coverage for employees forcing them to buy insurance or go directly to the medicaid. regs will come in restricting the insurance companies causing them to close the doors cause if they can't make money why be in business, putting even more people on medicaid. the feds will go 80% of the pop is now already on medicaid we might as well take over the whole thing and have a one payer system like canada or europe causing fewer people wanting to become drs, the start of rationing, and long waits to see a dr. this is how he got that short guy from ohio onboard with this plan. because they know its doomed to failure and the feds will have no choice but to go to single payer. the writing is on the wall and those of us that see it will rail against this law untill its repealed and replaced with a healthcare law we can all live with not just the 35% that want this one.
these people point to mass and say see its working there. unless you ask the state treasurer that says it would have gone belly up years ago if it hadn't been for the $$ the feds were giving them to help make it work. tenn a care tn's version is now putting dr visit limits on the people there because its a failure and costs are several times what they figured it would be.
how does this relate to the 2nd amendment? if the feds can ignore the 9th and 10th amendments they sure as shootin can ignore the 2nd. the gun banners have been trying to pervert that one for years and if they wanted to all the players are in place to do so now. thats how it relates to guns.
i will argue this issue with obama himself but being a career politician i'm sure i would only get the status quo with pointing out the good things leaving out the bad things and with the good only half truths, just like every other career politician.
my blood pressure is high again. sorry lots and lots of edits because of more thoughts and to address other statements/ propaganda from the obama administration
I too call this good hard working family man friend and i believe he knows my heart as many do, and yes he needs help and i will push for him and his to get the help, heck i'm not above begging for the help for him, but i have to draw the line at selling out this country, his future, his and my and everyone else's children's future to do so. and i wouldn't do it for me and mine either. as it stands now with everything totaled including this 2.5 trillion dollar health insurance company benefit law, every household owes 100000 plus to get to zero and the road is getting rockier with every ill conceived law this group passes. oh and this great new law that was suppose to get his kid on his health insurance even with a preexisting condition immediately failed to do so because of the sledgehammer ways of obama polosy and reid, the law was miss written and this part won't come into effect until next year. this does him no good for the heart surgery that is needed within the year. these are the dolts that are running this country both parts are equally to blame for the state of affairs. and we are too, for not holding their feet to the fire and making them do the right thing, the things the majority want. i for one will not ever sit by and watch us go down this path again and by saying "oh it ain't all bad, this is ok". i will yell it from and to everywhere i can. things are broke and they need to be fixed and not by just blindly voting for republicans cause they are just as bad. by voting for the ones that will do as we ask.
Last edited by ronn; 04-03-2010 at 04:35 PM.