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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-23-2011, 03:38 PM Thread Starter
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new here, just ordered new muzzleloader

Hey folks,


I am brand new to muzzleloading although I have rifle & bow hunter for years.


I just ordered a new T/C Encore Pro Hunter Endeavor today. I already have a Nikon BDC scope and will have it mounted when the muzzleloader comes in.

What are the other needed supplies? I know about the 50/50 pellets, the primers and sabots. What are the best of each I should get for the best performance? Also what are the best cleaning/lubricant items that I will need?

Is there a really good online source for all my muzzleloading supplies?

Thanks,
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-23-2011, 03:42 PM
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hello, well you picked a really great product in TC. I would not shoot pellets but use Black Horn loose powder. Bullets/sabot your choise so many to choose from. 250, 260, 290 gr in something. Rem, or CCI primers. Cabela's, bass pro has everything you need in one store.
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hello, well you picked a really great product in TC. I would not shoot pellets but use Black Horn loose powder. Bullets/sabot your choise so many to choose from. 250, 260, 290 gr in something. Rem, or CCI primers. Cabela's, bass pro has everything you need in one store.

Why not the pellets? Why this loose powder? Details? I know about cabelas & bass pro. I was wondering if there in any better supplier out there specifically for muzzleloading?

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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-23-2011, 05:03 PM
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Black Horn powder is simply the very best powder on the market right now for ML. I've never been a fan of pellets, too many things could go wrong, crushing one while loading, only one might go off, had this happen to me several times. Just try some BH powder and you will never regret it! Common loads are 90,100, 110 grs of BH behind a 250 gr TC Bonded shockwave. There are many other bullets to try but this is a good starting point.
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You won't go wrong using the blackhorn powder just remember to use standard rifle primers not the reduced charge ones for pyrodex. I use the 290 gr barnes in the blue easy load sabot works just fine. But so should the previous ones mentioned> Hunt safe.
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You won't go wrong using the blackhorn powder just remember to use standard rifle primers not the reduced charge ones for pyrodex. I use the 290 gr barnes in the blue easy load sabot works just fine. But so should the previous ones mentioned> Hunt safe.
daddus

As I said I am new to this. How do you measure the blackhorn powder? Or does it come in some sort of "pre-measured" quantities? Details, thanks.

I am familiar with the "209" primers. Are those the "reduced" ones you're talking about? Or are they the rifle primers? If not what type/brand of "rifle" primer should I get?

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Black Horn powder is simply the very best powder on the market right now for ML. I've never been a fan of pellets, too many things could go wrong, crushing one while loading, only one might go off, had this happen to me several times. Just try some BH powder and you will never regret it! Common loads are 90,100, 110 grs of BH behind a 250 gr TC Bonded shockwave. There are many other bullets to try but this is a good starting point.
I meant to ask another question. I will be using the T/C Encore Prohunter with the Nikon BDC 300 (3x9x40) scope. Isn't there a recommended "sabot/powder charge" combination that is supposed to work in conjunction with the Nikon BDC scope? IOW the bullet drop compensation marks on the lower vertical crosshair are supposed to be 50 yards apart. But I thought that it was supposed to work with certain sabots & powder quantities? Am I wrong?
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post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-23-2011, 07:53 PM Thread Starter
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You won't go wrong using the blackhorn powder just remember to use standard rifle primers not the reduced charge ones for pyrodex. I use the 290 gr barnes in the blue easy load sabot works just fine. But so should the previous ones mentioned> Hunt safe.
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I was looking online. Is this the "blackhorn 209" powder made by Western Powder?
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Blackhorn is made by Western Powders. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, IMO it is the best powder out there as HM said.

It burns clean, no more scrubbing at the range.

It is more costly but worth it. I have been using my own 463 gr cast lead bullet. I am starting to Swage my own bullets and will be switching to a 405 gr made out of 44 mag cases.

Probably not something you want to do just starting out. There are many good commercial bullets out there. You may want to try the hornady xtp and sabot combo. They shot well for me.
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post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-24-2011, 10:45 AM Thread Starter
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Blackhorn is made by Western Powders. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, IMO it is the best powder out there as HM said.

It burns clean, no more scrubbing at the range.

It is more costly but worth it. I have been using my own 463 gr cast lead bullet. I am starting to Swage my own bullets and will be switching to a 405 gr made out of 44 mag cases.

Probably not something you want to do just starting out. There are many good commercial bullets out there. You may want to try the hornady xtp and sabot combo. They shot well for me.
where can I get the best deals on the Blackhorn powder and other MZ products?
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