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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-31-2011, 06:02 AM
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For a 50 cal you will end up around 90-100grs so start with 80 and increase 5 grains at a time until you get good shot placement. I see no need to go beyond 100 grs.
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BruceBruce1959 those Traditions SST sabots and Remington primers are what I have. I am using the Pyrodex vs. 777 though.
You would be happier come cleaning time if you switched to 777 or Blackhorn 209, not to mention your accuracy may improve also.
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John,
The max load for 209 is 120 grain and you must use a standard shotgun primer. I use 110 gr blackhorn 209 with a 290 gr barnes sabot. It is a hot load but it works for me. I did not start there but worked up to it
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post #14 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-31-2011, 03:18 PM Thread Starter
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Great site! I found it by accident while looking for info on muzzleloaders. I have been reading the ML posts to help me decide which one to get. I recently purchsed a Traditions Vortek UL. I also picked up the Hornady SST 250 gr. and Pyrodex 50/50 pellets. I had a Bushnell Sportview scope in the closet that I mounted on the gun. I am waiting for this triple digit heat to subside before heading to the range. It's just too hot! A friend of mine also picked up a ML. He got the T/C Bone Collector with a Zeiss Conquest scope. We are heading to Ohio this November to hunt in Harrison county. I was born and raised in Cleveland and still have family and friends there. One of my friends has about 60 acres south of Freeport near Smyrna that we will be hunting. I was lucky enogh to get an 8 pointer there 2 years ago and hope to be lucky again. What is the general concensus on the Hornady low drag sabots, the ones with a "tail" on them?
I have Traditions Pursuit XLT and have found that mine shoots better with the loose Buck Horn powder.
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To be sure we are on the same page are the kleen bore 209 primers acceptable or should i use the plain 209's? This is totally new for me. Thanks in advance.
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Hi John
I just found this site also and this is my first post.

I have the Traditions Vortek UL and a Vortek pistol also.

I tried the pellets first then switched to pyro RS for more consistent loads. I got much better groups.

I got tired of having to clean the bore after every shot and switched to blackthorn 209. No more cleaning at the range and the breech plug doesn't get stuck, not to mention it loads very easy now.

I cast my own bullets and have tried conicals, sabots and round balls.

I have finally settled on a 450 grain cast lead .458 bullet in a Harvester crushed rib sabot. I use this in pistol and rifle.

The rifle shoots them minute of angle out to 150 yards. It might do well farther but have never tried it. I get 1557 fps at the muzzle with 90 grains of BH 209. I went up to 100 and groups opened up a bit and recoil was stout.

In the pistol I use 50 grains of BH209 and get about 900 fps. It shoots 2 inch groups at 50 yards. I guess I should add that I put a red dot sight on it.

I have put in excess of 400 rounds through the rifle with no malfunctions.

I know you will like your rifle as much as I like mine.

I drew a ML tag in NM and go hunting in a few weeks. I can't wait.
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Greetings crawdaddy, welcome to the club and good luck in NM, I hope you come back and share some pics with us when you return from your hunt.

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my goal is to push a 250 gr out to 2000-2100 fps using Black Horn.
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my goal is to push a 250 gr out to 2000-2100 fps using Black Horn.
Sabot I am assuming? I think I have a few. I can try a max load and chrony the results for you if you like. It would be a week before i could do it.
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