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Old 07-24-2011, 09:18 PM
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Hello

I have following question and I really hope that somebody can help me.
In a few days I will receive my first Pietta Model 1858 New Army Brass Frame .44 Caliber
Revolver.
I know meanwhile that I have to use 3f black powder and not the 30 grain pyrodex pellets.
But what is the best black powder to use? Can I use the BH209, or 777?
Based on the weapon's Manual I downloaded I have to use 12-15 grains of 3f black powder. But no smokeless
powder, only the real stuff.
I hope you guys can help me.
Thank you in advance.

Marc
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:35 PM
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First off. The manual is wrong. It's an old subject that's been talked to death. Use 25 gr of either Pyrodex loose powder, or T7. The T7 load will have more power, but both loads are safe. You can't use pellets, or BH 209.

Good luck with your new gun. I love C&B revolvers, and have been shooting them for 30 years.

btw..You can also use real black powder like Goex, Swiss etc. If you can find it. It's a little messy, but it's authentic if that matters to you.
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Old 07-25-2011, 07:47 AM
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Hello

I have following question and I really hope that somebody can help me.
In a few days I will receive my first Pietta Model 1858 New Army Brass Frame .44 Caliber
Revolver.
I know meanwhile that I have to use 3f black powder and not the 30 grain pyrodex pellets.
But what is the best black powder to use? Can I use the BH209, or 777?
Based on the weapon's Manual I downloaded I have to use 12-15 grains of 3f black powder. But no smokeless
powder, only the real stuff.
I hope you guys can help me.
Thank you in advance.

Marc
Greetings Marc & welcome to the deerhuntersclub.
I would Definately follow the instructions from the owners manual.
If it says to use only 12 - 15 grain of 3f then that's all you should consider using otherwise you're putting yourself in grave danger.
If you have any other questions regarding load recommendations you should contact Pietta directly, I'm sure their contact info is located in the weapons manual.
Good Luck
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:29 AM
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Pietta has been contacted, and admitted the manual is WRONG!

If you buy the gun from Cabelas. It will also come with a Cabelas manual that says the load should be 20-25 gr.

I wouldn't recommend a load if it wasn't safe. 12-15 gr is a .36 caliber load, and even that would be a light load.

Are you just trying to make me look bad Bruce, or do you know so little about C&B revolvers?
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:50 AM
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Hey muzzle,
None the less welcome to the sight!
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:50 AM
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Hello Muley,
hello Bruce

Thank you very much for your detailed answers. It helped me already a lot. I know that I can use 777. Thx Muley.
I bought the weapon from Cabelas and based on your information Muley, an additional Manual with come with it.
But please don't fight each other. Different people have different opinions. We can work this out.
I will wait until I received the weapon and we take it from there. I will post my findings here and we can discuss it further.

@Bruce: Thank you for the warm welcome. I really like it here.

Thank you very much Muley. I really appreciate your answer and your knowledge. I'm sure I'll come back to you.

MuzzleMarc
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:19 AM
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Pietta has been contacted, and admitted the manual is WRONG!

If you buy the gun from Cabelas. It will also come with a Cabelas manual that says the load should be 20-25 gr.

I wouldn't recommend a load if it wasn't safe. 12-15 gr is a .36 caliber load, and even that would be a light load.

Are you just trying to make me look bad Bruce, or do you know so little about C&B revolvers?

Muley not all Cap and ball revolvers are the same, I would rather see a person light-load their weapon and live to tell the tale vs. over-charging it and possibly be injured or killed.
I know you were only trying to help out but in ALL cases it's better to let the "Weapon Manufacturer" OR the "Weapons Correction Manual" convey the info.,,, maybe next time you could just explain how to get the corrected info, that probably would have been the best thing to do anyway.

P.S. I dont have to try to make you look bad muley, you have mirrors for that!
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:44 AM
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Bruce,

I was absolutely positive about my recommendations on the load. I've owned exactly the gun he's getting, and have loaded it with 35 gr of BP. I gave him a very safe load.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:18 PM
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I like 3f black powder and see nothing wrong with using it in your firearm. Just clean up everything like normal after each shooting session and you might even like the smell of the old sulfur smoke. As stated, do not use Black Horn powder as it is for modern in-lines with 209 ignition. I don't see a problem with 777, or other black powder substitutes. Shooting real 3f might just be the fun part of your shooting. Good luck, be safe and have fun!
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:53 PM
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Thank you HuntingMan for your recommendation. I really appreciate your comments. I guess I will go ahead with 777. Muley already told me this.
I'm a bloody beginner, but I will make sure to make everything right and I'm sure I'll "bother" you soon for more questions I might have.
You guys are really nice to me. Thanks for all the warm welcome, incl. Daddus

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