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Old 07-08-2011, 10:04 AM
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You won't see a vote for either one from me.

A Hawken has a special place in my heart, and no mickey mouse production gun gets my vote.

The only one that's close is the GPR, but the wood will still suck. (along with a long list of other things) It looks good from 25 feet anyway.

I'm in no way a CVA fan boy. I did buy and sell their best models. It's just at this time in my life. I was looking for an inexpensive, short, light, accurate gun to hunt dark timber at very high altitudes. The Wolf fit those requirements perfectly.

It's sighted in, and put away for hunting only. If it all goes right. I'll only need to take two shots a year. One for a deer, and one for an elk.
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:03 PM
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Mickey Mouse Production, surly you jest my good friend! Toto we're not in Kansas anymore. BB, I think we've circled the prey and are ready to pull the nets with the day's catch. I think I'll do the photo test anyway just see people's opinion, hopefully, honest, not politically incorrect ones. Time to get out the Amish wood polish for the sub standard walnut and putrid maple used on these rifles. Might as well tie them to the rafts in the pool and use them as anchors. The Lyman flint 54 GPR I had was an ok gun definitely a cut above CVA's similar marketed gun. The walnut stock was as FG said was a decent not brilliant piece of wood. I could have striped it down and inproved the looks a whole lot but chose to sell it to up-grade to a TC Hawken. Right now the score seems to be TC followed by Lyman, with CVA in the distance about where I'd figured they would be. Just for note: The expensive Hatfield flint rifle I had had a crappy frizen and barely would spark. They missed the frizzen hardening school training seminar. I sold that one too. They did use some nice maple in their stocks.
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:23 PM
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frizzen is an easy fix. Heat it up red hot, dunk in ice cold water.
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:44 PM
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I watched them do it in oil and sand too.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:20 PM
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i did mine in oil as well. Water is supposed to cool it down faster and work better.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:48 PM
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HM...We seem to be talking about two different things. I'm talking about kits, or guns that are close to the real Hawken. Custom guns.

Something no production gun has come close to, but the GPR is miles closer than the TC. Which TC will admit. They didn't try to get close.

The GPR is still a piece of crap compared to a real Hawken, but less crappy than the TC.

A good piece of wood doesn't make a crappy gun much better. It does make a good gun much better.

Your turn.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:59 PM
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Im actually going to be putting together a GPR for a forum member. Ive done 2 already so a 3rd aught to be the charm LOL.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:06 PM
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If he's not going to build it himself. Why not buy the completed gun?
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:20 PM
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Because he wants it done my way LOL. We talked about it and you just really get more for your money. After my fee, he saved well over $100 on it and will get more out of the rifle. I plan on doing my famous thumb hook on it that a lot of folks like.

We got the colors and details all laid out on the board.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:29 PM
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Meley semi custom kits where you spend several hundreds for the just the stock are way above any production rifle period. True Hawken kits can still be purchased and start in the 1200.00 range as a kit and go up from there. These kits are the one and only true "Hawken", and can't be compared with TC, Lyman, CVA ect. I looked at buying a Hawken Shop kit but knew I'd have $1600.00 easy in it and decided to go with a Pantonica (spell) river Hawken kit for around 800.00. So if we're talking these kind of kits then I agree they aren't in the same league as production rifles. I just disagree with you on where TC stands next to Lyman and we'll have to agree to disagree there. I still would like to build a original Hawken shop Hawken before I loose interest in building one. That is the ultimate ML rifle one could ever imagine owning if you are true to black powder!

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