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Old 05-25-2011, 04:41 PM
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I've shot both 490 and 495, but prefer .010 patches.
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Old 05-25-2011, 05:41 PM
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Putting a modern load in a Hawken is like kissing your sister.
Whuts wrong with that?
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:53 AM
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I've shot both 490 and 495, but prefer .010 patches.
Ok for lighter loads, but hunting loads blow holes in them for me.
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:05 PM
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Muley these are the TC pre-lubed patches and don't burn through with the TC PA hunter or my 54 home built Hawken using the listed loads. Years back my Lyman GPR 54 would burn holes so I shot 530 gr round balls and .015 -.017 patches to stop the holes. Back then I was using a product called bear grease for the patches, came in a can, but not sure who made it. That was more than a few years ago. Worse problem was trying to do the spit patch method and got a lot of burn through. Never did make sense to me to add moisture to black powder, but I guess it worked for some??
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:52 PM
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I never understood spit patches either. I'll do it for a quick clean, but never to shoot.

I like Mink Oil for lube. TOW sells the good stuff. It's good for Colorado, because it doesn't harden up in the cold like some lubes.

This stuff.

Track of the Wolf - Trapper's MINK OIL TALLOW, patch grease, for match shooting & cold weather hunting
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Old 10-01-2011, 09:31 PM
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I have shot a 50 cal. Traditions Hawkin for the last 20yrs. patch and round ball is the way to go.I have tried all of the modern sabots and cant get a good three shot print with any of them out of a 1-48 twist.I shoot .490 ball .015 patch, I shoot 3in. group at 125 yrds.
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Old 10-01-2011, 10:20 PM
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yea, a 1-48" twist is right down the middle. Too fast for a sabot and most cases a trifle fast for a patched round ball. I know the old St. Louis Hawken's were all like 1-48 but most patch and ball shooters are using 1-66 or 1-70" twist bartrels. You're getting a 1-1,000,000 group out the Tradition's Hawken. I would have kept it too with that kind of accuracy. I'm surprised that a Buffalo bullet or TC maxi-hunter wouldn't shoot fairly well. I think my FireHawk is like 1-35" rifling and shoots 1.5" @100yds groups all day with Maxi-hunters as long as I do my part..

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Old 10-02-2011, 02:09 PM
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You are right on Hunting Man,my son has been after me for years to go inline.I said no thanks as long as my Traditions shoots the way it does I dont feel the need for another muzzleloader.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:50 PM
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The load would depend on what you buy. If you buy a tradional style Hawken that has a slow twist barrel 1/48" or slower then a 490 patched round ball with about 85gr of 2F will make a nice hunting load that will be good out to a 100 yards.

The newer Hawkens like those by TC were designed to shoot the maxi ball that is a bullet style projectile. The load for these should be in the 80 to 90gr 2F range.

I have also shot RB out of the newer Hawkens with good results. If you use RB go to any fabric store and buy a yard of 100% cotton pillow ticking. This usually is 15 to 18 thou. thick and can not be beat for patch material.

Anybody that tells you that you have to shoot a 100 plus grains to get a good hunting or target load should spend more time at the range or witness what a 50 cal RB can do to a deer at 100 yards or closer. I have yet to retrive a 50 cal ball out of a deer that had not flattened out to the size of a quater when it went in and tore that size hole all the way through to the outher side, breaking bones on it's way.

I also use spit as a lube. All you need is a little to help that patched RB down the bore. I stopped using bore lube as a patch lube when I found that at the end of my hunting day when I would unload my gun that sometimes the load would go off kind of slow and sounded like a boom instead of a crack. I found that the lube was contaminating my powder charge. I am not syaing that they all will do that but the one that I was using did. I have never had that problem with a spit patch.

Anyway good luck, I know you will enjoy shooting BP.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:40 PM
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Something everyone here gets is opinions. I shoot 3f in flintlock 50 cal, 2f in 54 cal flintlocks. All my round ball flintlocks shoot better with .010 thick patches. BlackHorn powder in all the in-lines. I shoot 100 gr loads in the in-lines, 110 in the 54, 90 in the flintlock 50. For pure tradition nothing beat shooting flintlocks with a patched round ball. Was at the range today sighting in the Omega, Traditions, and making sure the Triumph is still good to go. Shoulder is just a bit tight now.
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