Question about misfires - Deer Hunting Forums

Go Back   Deer Hunting Forums > General Forums > MuzzleLoader Hunting
MuzzleLoader Hunting Discuss MuzzleLoader topics

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 10:27 AM
three under's Avatar
three under three under is offline
Scrub Buck
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Westerlo, NY
Posts: 18
Default Question about misfires

I experienced some misfires the other day where the only sound I heard was the "whoosh" of my bullet being pushed half way up the barrel.

I expected to at least hear the "pop" of the 209 primer. Was the "pop" silenced by the load not exiting the barrel?

Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 12:01 PM
deerless deerless is offline
B&C 120 Class
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 394
Default

Not sure what you have going on but I would think if the bullet moved the primer went off. Is your powder old or damp? Was the round seated properly? I also always pop a couple primers and swab the barrel before loading to be sure there is no moisture in the barrel before loading. Good luck and be careful misfires can be very dangerous.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 12:50 PM
three under's Avatar
three under three under is offline
Scrub Buck
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Westerlo, NY
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by deerless View Post
Not sure what you have going on but I would think if the bullet moved the primer went off. Is your powder old or damp? Was the round seated properly? I also always pop a couple primers and swab the barrel before loading to be sure there is no moisture in the barrel before loading. Good luck and be careful misfires can be very dangerous.

The bullet was seated properly; I have a mark on my ram rod that I use to gauge this. I shot two primers before loading but I did forget to swab the barrel. The first shot did go off so I assume that would cancel out any misfires due to oil or moisture? The powder sub is a year old and has been stored inside the house and dry.

I contacted the powder sub. manufacturer and was told my flash hole may need cleaning with a drill bit. I had a spare breech plug that was brand new, so I screwed it in and the first shot fired. Second shot misfired. I opened a new container of the same powder sub. and have shot seven in a row without a misfire. Maybe the original container is bad but I am told shelf life should not be an issue.

The same combination of gun, powder, bullet, and primer worked flawlessly last year for twenty plus shots.

Any thoughts?
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 01:13 PM
BruceBruce1959's Avatar
BruceBruce1959 BruceBruce1959 is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 5,471
Default

"I opened a new container of the same powder sub. and have shot seven in a row without a misfire. Maybe the original container is bad but I am told shelf life should not be an issue."

Shelf life isn't usually a major concern but sometimes even the slightest humidity can cause problems and to me that's what it sounds like you may be having a problem with the powder you used may have become contaminated by moisture from humidity..
__________________
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
-Benjamin Franklin

Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 01:31 PM
three under's Avatar
three under three under is offline
Scrub Buck
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Westerlo, NY
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
"I opened a new container of the same powder sub. and have shot seven in a row without a misfire. Maybe the original container is bad but I am told shelf life should not be an issue."

Shelf life isn't usually a major concern but sometimes even the slightest humidity can cause problems and to me that's what it sounds like you may be having a problem with the powder you used may have become contaminated by moisture from humidity..
The container was sitting on the shooting bench for 15 minutes between the first two shots with the cap off. There were lite flurries and a temp of 12 degrees F. Could it have become contaminated that fast?

Also, the first half dozen primers may have been re-stocked into the pack after spending some time in my pockets last hunting season. Could they have been an issue? Or does the fact the bullet was getting pushed half way down the barrel cancel out any issue with the primers?
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 03:10 PM
BruceBruce1959's Avatar
BruceBruce1959 BruceBruce1959 is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 5,471
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by three under View Post
The bullet was seated properly; I have a mark on my ram rod that I use to gauge this. I shot two primers before loading but I did forget to swab the barrel. The first shot did go off so I assume that would cancel out any misfires due to oil or moisture? The powder sub is a year old and has been stored inside the house and dry.

I contacted the powder sub. manufacturer and was told my flash hole may need cleaning with a drill bit. I had a spare breech plug that was brand new, so I screwed it in and the first shot fired. Second shot misfired. I opened a new container of the same powder sub. and have shot seven in a row without a misfire. Maybe the original container is bad but I am told shelf life should not be an issue.

The same combination of gun, powder, bullet, and primer worked flawlessly last year for twenty plus shots.

Any thoughts?
You seem to be addressing your own concerns, all if which may be the root of the problem. if the powder was a year old then can't we asume it went bad for some odd reason thus causing the problem? If contaminated powder isn't the problem then I don't know what else to blame it on.
__________________
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
-Benjamin Franklin

Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 03:54 PM
Hunting Man Hunting Man is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Oregon, Ohio
Posts: 7,765
Default

I agree when all else is eliminated, then the flash channel may be getting debris from the primer and giving varied fire. Not too many things can be the problem so it's pretty basic to step by step locate the problem. I would change out to 209 shot gun primers and try those. I have not had a failure in the limited shooting with 209 primers. However, with the flintlocks it runs about 75%.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 08:46 PM
frontiergander frontiergander is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Boncarbo, Colorado
Posts: 611
Default

what gun, powder and primer brand?
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2010, 11:20 PM
three under's Avatar
three under three under is offline
Scrub Buck
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Westerlo, NY
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
You seem to be addressing your own concerns, all if which may be the root of the problem. if the powder was a year old then can't we asume it went bad for some odd reason thus causing the problem? If contaminated powder isn't the problem then I don't know what else to blame it on.
Your rite, it could have gone bad for some odd reason. I called bh 209 customer service and was told it was unlikely. But Im with you, I do not trust that original can and it stinks because I drove 2 hours to get it and paid $36. for one jug.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 12-13-2010, 12:45 AM
hunter177 hunter177 is offline
B&C 100 Class
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 55
Lightbulb Misfire Issue

Under the weather conditions you described IMO it's definitely moisture contaminated powder caused by leaving the can open on the bench. I use 777 pellets and ALWAYS close the box as soon as I put the pellets in the gun. I also swab between every shot AND fire 1 primer before loading to ensure a dry barrel.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Top Posters
Hunting Man7765
buckfever5650
BruceBruce19595471
timberghost3929
joel the signman3608
tator3191
gfdeputy22941
delbert1518
Buckshot1219
hunt NH1203
Photos
FISH HUNTING
Sooner Dave
FISH HUNTING
Team DHC Articles


    All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:13 PM.



    LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8