You mention those two names like they're supposed to be reveered as the almightiest of MuzzleLoading shooters..
and Frankly, I think most of the wakeman reviews are one sided and not even close to being realistic,, I've seen very few that were fair, honest and balanced reviews...
I also believe it was Christopher Langan who said "Bore Butter may be one of muzzle loadings best inventions" but I may be wrong, It may have been someone else.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.