need advice for very good muzzleloader

[Hunting Man]

BB and I have had this discussion several times in the past, and he will never admit TC products are great. I would purchase a TC product over any thing out there in a standard production ML rifle, period! Tradition and CVA started out selling very poor quality low end rifles, however, and you heard it from me, both have vastly improved their line of ML products and are of good/high quality today. I wouldn't be afraid of SW ownership, they have been around far longer than CVA or Tradition firearms combined.

Originally Posted by Hunting Man

BB and I have had this discussion several times in the past, and he will never admit TC products are great. I would purchase a TC product over any thing out there in a standard production ML rifle, period! Tradition and CVA started out selling very poor quality low end rifles, however, and you heard it from me, both have vastly improved their line of ML products and are of good/high quality today. I wouldn't be afraid of SW ownership, they have been around far longer than CVA or Tradition firearms combined.

[FrontierGander]

CVA today is nothing BUT Quality!

Take a look at the Encore problems, hinge pins, lock up springs, rough bores, bores so tight that they need lapping, and then this one goes for TC's line up right now, Barrels that are limited to one projectie by the company! Forget conicals, TC will tell you flat out that they can only shoot sabots. Its crazy when you see someone that just bought an encore style rifle from TC and are asking how to lighten its trigger pull!

Originally Posted by FrontierGander

CVA today is nothing BUT Quality!

Take a look at the Encore problems, hinge pins, lock up springs, rough bores, bores so tight that they need lapping, and then this one goes for TC's line up right now, Barrels that are limited to one projectie by the company! Forget conicals, TC will tell you flat out that they can only shoot sabots. Its crazy when you see someone that just bought an encore style rifle from TC and are asking how to lighten its trigger pull!

i'll hand you a cva, mine, and you tell me if its quailty. i use it to stir paint and it ain't much good for that. once bit twice shy.

[FrontierGander]

i'll tell you the same thing that ive told others online for years. You dont like your cva? Send it to me then

* no one has taken me up on that offer *

My new found love is the new Optima. Sweet Thor shootin machine and only $225 + s/h


Top of the line though is the Apex. 30-06 mounted here but this fall it will wear the 50cal muzzy barrel. Sweet shooting rifle with both barrels. Scary what the muzzleloader barrel does!


So how about it? Can i have that paint stirrin cva?

pm me with your address and if it doesn't cost to much to ship, 20ish, its yours. but you'll be sorrrrrry. grin

i almost gave it to a guy i know but i don't dislike him that much. swear to God thats the truth.

[Hunting Man]

Having owned at least 6 TC rifles and currently have 3, I've never encountered any problems like you are describing! If I do my part my TC in-line rifles will do 1" @ 100yds, hopefully the problem with the encore is an isolated one. I wouldn't want to shoot a conical out of a fast rifled bore ie 1-28" as today's saboted bullets are in most cases far superior in performance to any conical bullet. Most conicals as I remember required a slightly slower rifle twist?? I will say my triumph is a tight barrel, but I'll take that over a loose one everyday. I do get some credit for quality comparisons as currently on hand I have a CVA mountain rifle, some kind of Traditions in-line, a Knight disk extreme, and owned more than 15 ml rifles over the years. As we have said here many times, everyone gets an opinion to share even if it means we disagree. Heck, even the moderators don't see eye to eye everytime

[Hunting Man]

Just remember to clean the bore after every color change

[FrontierGander]

Ah man, the Mountain Rifle. Had many of those over the years. Like a nut i sold a .58cal big bore mountain rifle that had the curly maple stock.

This was a deer creek northwest rifle .45cal. Its basically a cva mountain rifle only deer creek when they bought all the parts from cva, changed the trigger guard.


80gr 3f T7 and a 225 aerotip powerbelt really left a big bleeding hole!

[Hunting Man]

yup looks like a mountain rifle, mine is a flint model in 50 cal. Thats a big hole!