.25 acp breech plug?

deer dude · #1 (**permalink**) 01-26-2009, 01:23 AM

been thinkin about switching over to one of these ,anyone out there use one ? can you tell any difference? i dont know whether to beleive the hype about the 209 primers being too much bang or not .would rather hear from some guys who have made the switch and get the real story.

wmi · #2 (**permalink**) 01-26-2009, 06:52 AM

209's are fine. You can buy the ones for ML guns made by Winchester if you are worried about it. It is just like everything else out there someone is always trying to make a buck by creating false need. Everyone talks the talk especially when they are getting paid for it. In this day and age the best sense you have is your nose for BS. The problem is most of this type of hype has to have just enough truth to help sell the product. Save your money.

BruceBruce1959 · #3 (**permalink**) 01-26-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by deer dude

been thinkin about switching over to one of these ,anyone out there use one ? can you tell any difference? i dont know whether to beleive the hype about the 209 primers being too much bang or not .would rather hear from some guys who have made the switch and get the real story.

I am not familiar with the .25 acp conversion but if there is a conversion available to you,
you first have to understand you're not converting to a more powerful powder charge,
the conversion to 209 primers is only the source of Ignition.
209 primers are currently the most reliable ignition source available today.

I hope someone can offer more info with the .25 acp breech plug Conversion.

Good Luck

wmi · #4 (**permalink**) 01-26-2009, 01:57 PM

The issue with 209's is that they say they are so powerful that they start movement of the round before ignition of the charge. This in turn they say leads to inconsistent groups. I personally have not found this to be the case or if it is it is so small that the average to even above average shooter will not notice it at all. I could see an issue if you are a match grade shooter but other than that it is industry hype. By the way I shoot modern ML's a lot.

deer dude · #5 (**permalink**) 01-26-2009, 04:34 PM

i didnt have any problems with the 209 this year and kind of figured these were a money gimmick.i think ill just stay with the 209 for now.

deerless · #6 (**permalink**) 02-02-2009, 06:29 PM

personally I shoot with 209's. But my father-in-law swears by the caps. He hunts in all weather and has never had a hangfire in over twenty years of hunting with a ML. personal choice I guess.

Rozman62 · #7 (**permalink**) 02-02-2009, 08:17 PM

As wmi states the difference in results is only concerning to competitive shooters. I ran a series of tests last year between std win 209, Win-ML 209 and the 25 ACP and the variation between groupings was next to none. I only ran the test on tight fitting sabots with a regemented cleaing process between shots. I suspect that groups would open up more on looser fitting sabots. All in all save your money unless your a perfectionist.

bubba · #8 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 07:22 PM

Hi Guys I am new here. I use the 25 acp breech plug in my encore and sidekick. I like the fact I can reprime them and keep reusing the brass. I can also use small rifle and small pistol primers when I do prime them. I have found my accuracy has improved in both of the guns. The downfall as I see it is the cost. The breech plug is 60 dollars plus shipping. What I especially like about it in my sidekick is that it eliminates the 209 primer carriers and also cut back dramatically on the blowback into the action. The plug is made by precision rifle bullets. their websie is Precision Rifle Home - the world's most innovative Muzzleloader Bullets It is worth looking at

ceader savage · #9 (**permalink**) 04-29-2009, 06:58 PM

this system is used on the ultimate muzzleloader only they use a 45 mag case with a primer it don't move the [powder and this gun 5in group at 500 yards with 200gr of powder yes that s right 200 gr of powder it saft to shoot 250 in this gun also i used a 209 pocket with a small rifle primer in it and thinking about this 25 acp real hard and this does work better then just the 209 s

ceader savage · #10 (**permalink**) 05-07-2009, 04:22 PM

well got some great news found a couple of guys and they have them and say the ram rod whem prime with a 25 don't move as much as the 209 then got on line with some primmer company they say they made the new ones not as hot i shot there guns and one was a knight bolt action 45 that shot well lets say less then a inch the encore the same thanks the savage