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post #41 of 69 (permalink) Old 04-23-2011, 09:42 AM
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This is the line that disturbs me.

"For those who were injured with these guns, CVA or BPI has worked with those persons in good faith and given monetary settlements in the more serious cases. "


Does that mean the less serious cases got nothing?
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post #42 of 69 (permalink) Old 04-23-2011, 10:31 AM
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basically the recall gun owners who were injured got a settlement. Those that used smokeless powder and got hurt, you should have read your manual or the stamping on the barrel that says, use black powder only.
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How do you know this? Everybody who got hurt using BP got a settlement?

Proof?
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post #44 of 69 (permalink) Old 04-23-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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This is the line that disturbs me.

"For those who were injured with these guns, CVA or BPI has worked with those persons in good faith and given monetary settlements in the more serious cases. "


Does that mean the less serious cases got nothing?
It means after all this time CVA & their affiliates are still trying to avoid taking FULL responsibility for all the individual's involved. That's how I read it.

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Not taking responsibility? BPI doesnt even have to cover the recall guns as they were not the owners of CVA when that happened, but they are doing it anyway to make things right.

Bruce, Traditions has lawsuits out against them as well. Along with TC And knight. Why do you turn a blind eye to this?

Matter of fact, look up lawsuits against remington while you are at it.
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Lawsuits against other companies are irrelevant as they're probably only minor suits like patent infringement or some other Minor claim,, CVA on the other hand was sued and LOST because of UNSAFE weapons which caused bodily injury.
fyi TRADITIONS has Won every claim regarding bodily injury against them. Traditions is also the industry Leader on weapon safety components. FG. You should just buy a Traditions Vortek or comparable TC muzzleloader so you'll finally be able to find happiness and safe shooting during your shooting adventures AND finally end your need to tinker or defend a brand that doesn't deserve your loyalty.

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post #47 of 69 (permalink) Old 04-23-2011, 02:03 PM
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Bruce, traditions still exploded, just as every other firearm manf. has done throughout history.

Already looked at the vortex, the plastic trigger frame is most likely its weakest link.

Tinkering never ends, i've owned traditions, TC, knight, they all got tinkered with, especially that traditions!

I shoot more than you, and every other regular on here put together, Don't try telling me that my gun is not safe.

Now i am done with you bruce.
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FG, I've never ever heard of a Traditions muzzleloader or a TC muzzleloader or a Savage muzzleloader or a Knight muzzleloader ever exploding due to Manufacturer Error. period!

I think your age and inexperience reflects your want and desire to pass CVA's issues onto other manufacturers but It wont ever happen my friend, avid shooters/hunters are fully aware of the risks involved when shooting ANY muzzleloader but by comparison and as history will prove, they all know a CVA muzzleloader just may be putting those shooters/hunters at MUCH GREATER RISKS for injury.

You attack other members posts and every other muzzleloader brand and I think you expect each person will just cowar to your rants and raves, Well By Now, I think all the DHC members have read enough of your ridiculous rhetoric to realize how poorly CVA muzzleloader's are made (by your own admission on how you have to tamper, adjust or totally modify ALL of your CVA muzzleloaders) , nobody on this site has ever made any wrong or misguided claims against you or CVA muzzleloaders but for you to make BOGUS claims against other muzzleloader manufacturers is totally absurd and you really should rethink how and what you say about other muzzleloader companies and consider the liabilities involved regarding the things you say.

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Im glad you brought up the inexperienced part!!
This shows your experience with todays modern rifles and powders.
Question about misfires

As Rogo put it, The forums info providers are out of date on here.

Hey i had a 1851 confederate navy .44 blow apart in my hand due to cheap materials, cabelas replaced that one and replaced the replacement 2 more times before letting me pick out something else. If you want junk, try one of them.

My experience with muzzle loaders has been going on 13 years so yes, i do have a bit of knowledge about them.
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Bruce do you have any contacts in any way with Traditions?
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